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renie408

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115. For chrissakes, people, do some of you REALLY believe that nobody in the OWS...

Tue Jan 31, 2012, 04:19 PM

Jan 2012

movement is capable of making a poor judgement call?? And that anybody that says, "Gee, that might not have been such a great idea." is out to get OWS?? That if someone does something like what happened in Oakland on Sunday, they have to be 'agent provocateurs'? Does that make any kind of sense at all?

Some people here are doing EXACTLY what the right does. "I am on the side of OWS. I am a good person. Therefore, everything anybody involved with OWS does must be good."

Realistically, some people involved in the OWS movement are less interested in creating real social and economic change in this country and are just there because they are inclined to enjoy a little anarchy. Stealing that flag and vandalizing the city hall was just stupid excess. Period. It did more harm than good. If you want to burn the flag, bring your own. I doubt anybody here would have a problem with that. But when you are trying to sell yourself as a peaceful protest, theft and vandalism seem a little counter productive. The people who did it don't have to be agent provocateurs, they could just be stupid...or just the kind of people who like trouble....or just some people who got into a crowd frenzy and got carried away. But no matter what, Sunday was a bad day for OWS.

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It wasn't an Agent Provocateur [View all] pintobean Jan 2012 OP

Maybe they were all agents provocateur... SidDithers Jan 2012 #1

Yep BeFree Jan 2012 #2

So police aren't supposed to react to people trying to break in and steal public property? TheWraith Jan 2012 #126

There were only a couple of dozen people at city hall... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #7

Maybe they were all humorless, anal retentive Canadians? nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #24

Sid has a great sense of humor. pintobean Jan 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Jan 2012 #29

... SidDithers Jan 2012 #30

Maybe EVERYONE in the Occupy Movement is a Provacateur... brooklynite Jan 2012 #37

Provocateurs, provocateurs everywhere!!... SidDithers Jan 2012 #44

AP's actual headline is 'Occupy Protest Rekindles Debate About Flag- Burning' Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #52

It's an honest pintobean Jan 2012 #55

If framed as your own opinion of what is said, sure. When you keep saying 'I posted Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #58

You've peppered the thread with your brilliant pintobean Jan 2012 #60

It is interesting that the phrase 'Agent Provocateur' is not used at all in the AP story Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #57

This is not LBN. There is no requirement to MineralMan Jan 2012 #67

Spot on. Rex Jan 2012 #82

What is your agenda to shame Occupy? Why would you go to such lengths? rhett o rick Jan 2012 #3

Status quo people are nervous of people that protest. mmonk Jan 2012 #6

yes 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #46

I posted a news article. pintobean Jan 2012 #8

So you wont tell us what your agenda is? Why you disparage OWS. Are you Sean Hannity? nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #13

the best answer I have found 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #48

Some people just can't pintobean Jan 2012 #51

Your OP didnt just report the news. You added your bias which appears to be rhett o rick Jan 2012 #109

How many times do you need to ask that? pintobean Jan 2012 #113

I wont bother you again. I just wonder why you go to such lengths to disparage those getting rhett o rick Jan 2012 #123

It isnt personal? pintobean Jan 2012 #128

It isnt personal. But I will challenge anyone that appears to use right wing talking points. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #129

actually 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #116

And some people support the general cause Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #69

Thank you for posting. emilyg Jan 2012 #33

You posted an article with a different headline, you made your own headline. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #53

Why is reporting what OWS does "shame"? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #76

Your last paragraph says a lot. randome Jan 2012 #79

good or bad? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #81

Sorry! Good! randome Jan 2012 #85

Thank-you Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #88

Wow, anti OWS on Fox, Corp-media and in DU. Exagerating the damage done rhett o rick Jan 2012 #105

I think the Guy Fawkes mask might be constricting your oxygen supply Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #132

I always quality to post on DU snooper2 Jan 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #4

Lmao. Your evidence is that this guy incited a crowd EFerrari Jan 2012 #5

You didn't read the rest pintobean Jan 2012 #11

What is your agenda? Why do you disparage OWS? Common on, you know rhett o rick Jan 2012 #15

i can't speak for this poster, but how about this; dionysus Jan 2012 #18

OWS will attract all types of miscreants that will try to coopt the message of OWS. I expect that. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #38

Wow. No one can argue with that logic. pintobean Jan 2012 #41

Unlike the water tight arguments LanternWaste Jan 2012 #47

The article in the OP was from Associated Press, not Fox News...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #43

The title is not from AP at all. The linked article does not say what the title here says. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #50

The problem is Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #71

I like facts pintobean Jan 2012 #20

Your "facts" always seem to point to an agenda. Be brave and tell us your agenda. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #35

I answered your question pintobean Jan 2012 #39

If you have more evidence, I'd love to see it. EFerrari Jan 2012 #16

Yeah. Agents provocateurs can be in place for YEARS Remember Me Jan 2012 #21

I regret being dismissive of pintobean exactly because EFerrari Jan 2012 #22

Excellent point Remember Me Jan 2012 #23

I don't care pintobean Jan 2012 #25

Well, that's a relief. Remember Me Jan 2012 #32

See post #25 pintobean Jan 2012 #40

Oh, how cute. Remember Me Jan 2012 #75

LOL, you didn't read the article. joshcryer Jan 2012 #31

I did. The phrase 'Agent Provocateur' does not appear in the article at all. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #59

Really? That stood out for you? pintobean Jan 2012 #61

The article does not indicate any sense of incitement. joshcryer Jan 2012 #130

who cares? mike_c Jan 2012 #9

Conditioned responses. EFerrari Jan 2012 #17

Damn fine police work, lol. T S Justly Jan 2012 #10

After reading that article I'm more convinced than ever that it was indeed an agent provocateur. Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #12

The fucking feds need to come into Oakland gopiscrap Jan 2012 #14

glad he was arrested with the others, because tiny elvis Jan 2012 #19

Yeah like that would convince anyone of anything. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #27

Since flag burning has been ruled freedom of speech, I do not care who burns it, I would not. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #28

Exactly, and that's the same view the Occupy Oaklander interviewed in the article has. joshcryer Jan 2012 #34

Wow! lonestarnot Jan 2012 #36

Flag burning is absolutely protected speech metalbot Jan 2012 #63

Why did they have to steal someone else's flag first? hack89 Jan 2012 #80

And it won't be the end of OWS. Rex Jan 2012 #42

Okay. I'm wrong again. applegrove Jan 2012 #45

Perhaps, perhaps not.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #49

That declarative opening statement is not from the AP article. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #54

Precisely my point. Thanks. n/t 99Forever Jan 2012 #62

Burning a symbol is a symbolic gesture and protected speech. morningfog Jan 2012 #56

Really? Can I break into your house and burn some of your symbols? metalbot Jan 2012 #65

It was the people's flag, the people burned it. morningfog Jan 2012 #125

Judge rules covered police badge serious violation (real headline alert) Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #64

... pintobean Jan 2012 #66

Why so down on Occupy? pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #68

I don't think you want to understand. pintobean Jan 2012 #73

The tactics of Occupy are many and diverse pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #74

What results? randome Jan 2012 #78

For one thing, Occupy has stopped many foreclosures pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #86

Does it make me a 'naysayer' to say that Occupy Oakland's attempt to take over a public building... randome Jan 2012 #87

If that's your only complaint, you should be posting OPs extolling the virtues of Occupy pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #89

There are plenty of OPs extolling the virtues of OWS. randome Jan 2012 #91

Occupy is doing a lot besides the "side issues" to which you object pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #95

You continue to side-step the issues I bring up. randome Jan 2012 #96

Your problem is the time wasted by OWS? Then why do you go to such lengths to vilify them? rhett o rick Jan 2012 #108

So is if fair to me to look to a single element of say, a Presidential campaign and say Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #103

Sorry, but that's exactly how provocateurs work Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #70

That's exactly how hot headed idiots work too. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #83

Most provocateurs are masters at pretending to be hot-headed idiots Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #90

Most hot-headed idiots don't have to pretend hack89 Jan 2012 #97

This very much reminds me of Seattle WTO 12/2/99 suffragette Jan 2012 #72

Yep. AP, better known as *American Propaganda*. Hit pieces for the 1% their specialty. nt Zorra Jan 2012 #93

Yep, and our local news stations did the same suffragette Jan 2012 #111

I see bad people Broderick Jan 2012 #77

Yes it was. Rex Jan 2012 #84

So, um, are the cops going to pick up Troy Johnson for questioning, since Zorra Jan 2012 #92

Thank you. Rex Jan 2012 #94

"I haven't seen anything about this anywhere" pintobean Jan 2012 #98

try looking again DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #99

Give me a link pintobean Jan 2012 #100

link DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #102

That's a letter TO Occupy Oakland pintobean Jan 2012 #104

well then, get me a list of their officers so I know what's official DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #106

They have official statements pintobean Jan 2012 #107

Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the burning of a fucking flag? Taverner Jan 2012 #112

my comment refers to the fact that I have not heard of any one of these people Zorra Jan 2012 #118

But it was an Associated Press photographer, right? randome Jan 2012 #101

No, person in question appears to have been someone simply volunteering information Zorra Jan 2012 #117

Oh noes! Not the flag! Taverner Jan 2012 #110

For chrissakes, people, do some of you REALLY believe that nobody in the OWS... renie408 Jan 2012 #115

yeah, well, tell that to the people blowing this out of proportion. fascisthunter Jan 2012 #119

Honestly, the only reason it is getting blown out of proportion... renie408 Jan 2012 #121

IMO, it is important to be sure that the 1% is not using agents Zorra Jan 2012 #122

Long Live OWS!!!!! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #120

This whole thing was an open invitation to anarchists from the get go. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #124

This guy wasn't an anarchist according to the interviewed Occupier. joshcryer Jan 2012 #131

Who gives a shit? whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #127