Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
38. Sorry you feel it's derailing...I think it's at the heart of recent proposed legislation
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:12 PM
Mar 2013

I am not proposing policing words.

I accept that words like 'crazy'and 'lunatic' and 'insane' are parts of common speech. True, I don't really like the chauvinistic use of 'crazy', etc, as adjectives to disparage political and rhetorical opponents, but I accept that using such words is too common to prevent.

So, I accept that everything that Congresswoman Bachmann or Rand Paul, etc says is going to be considered crazy. The GOP leadership is going to be discussed as a bunch of insane lunatics. That's the nature of the ignorant/uneducated/unsophisticated language of the streets and consequently of blogs and bulletin boards.

But,

There is something quite different about the way that 'crazy is used by Wayne LaPierre, and meme-repeaters of NRA positions, who are literally mounting a political pogrom against the mentally ill. That pogrom exploits ignorance and promotes fear. And in that pogrom protection of millions of mentally ill hangs on the meanings within "crazy, lunatic, monster' etc.

The focus of the NRA on mental illness has been reasonably argued as a distraction: a slight of hand if you will. An effort to point the blame away from the tools without which mass murderers would be much more difficult.

In that context an ambiguous 'crazy' is VERY useful to make a "guilty other" as big and as risky and obvious a target for suppression as possible.

In that sense 'crazy' and 'lunatics' and 'monster become very effective in their nebulous pointing at something misunderstood, something that seems all the more scary when is left ill-defined and free to morph according to the fearful products of imagination.

A truth is that the unconditioned risk of a mentally ill person committing a mass shooting at a school is almost identical to the risk of a licensed American gun owner committing the same crime. BOTH hover around 0.00004%.

Yet, undeniably, persons who possess guns do sometimes use them in crimes, and persons with mental illness do sometimes commit gun violence. Being able to keep the tools of destruction away from them is an objective that is completely a matter of common sense.

The gun lobby and it's lawyers play with parsing the language of the law and definitions of 'assault' and 'military style' weapons. The reason they argue about details such as the presence or absence of a bayonet mount is to find a 'work around' what would otherwise have been a banned weapon legal under previous law.

That sort of parsing really isn't the object of getting it right about mental illness.

Some mentally ill persons REALLY shouldn't be in the possession of firearms. Even those they purchase legally. But the majority (literature says is greater than 95%) of mental illnesses--which in facile laziness can be called 'craziness'--really don't contribute to gun violence. Even among diagnoses that have patterns of association with gun violence (for example depression) millions of people depressed people aren't killing themselves. And they are not killing others.

We really do need to get guns out of the hands of those who would hurt themselves and/or others. Developing within society a capacity to recognize, report, and thereby achieve intervention for such events really depends upon accurate diacritical distinctions that split apart and make distinguishable rather than lump together and cloud perception of the risky and the unrisky.

Consequently, facile use of words like 'crazy' and 'lunatic' and 'monster' associated with bigoted and uninformed speech aren't useful to a meaningful discussion.

Those words inject what could be called purposeful 'stupidity' or 'dumbing down', as is the case of Wayne LaPierre and the NRA, that confounds rather than helps resolve the problem.

Consequently, stigmatizing terms leave their user looking variously non-serious, obstructive, and/or bigoted. None of those adjectives would seem desirable within the framework of participation in a discussion of a serious problem.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Legal gun owners are law abiding maxsolomon Mar 2013 #1
If u read this on mental illness & mass shooting u may dump 'crazy' for terms with meaning HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #7
lord almighty, i don't want to make the mentally ill feel bad about themselves. maxsolomon Mar 2013 #14
It's not about making mentally ill feel bad, it's about tainting your opinion HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #23
OK, you win. i won't say crazy when referring to schizophrenics who murder masses of people. maxsolomon Mar 2013 #37
Sorry you feel it's derailing...I think it's at the heart of recent proposed legislation HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #38
"Responsible" gun profiteers and owners, my rear. Hoyt Mar 2013 #2
Read 'Armed Cretin', Sir, For 'Gun Rights Advocate': Fewer Syllables, Greater Accuracy The Magistrate Mar 2013 #3
This is just to... one_voice Mar 2013 #4
Grassroots activism and protest at it's finest. SayWut Mar 2013 #5
Sick, coating this to the Berlin airlift nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #8
yeh, you guys are so fucking brave and defiant frylock Mar 2013 #11
One must start somehere. SayWut Mar 2013 #30
oh i've no doubt you'll get to keep your precious 30rd mags.. frylock Mar 2013 #36
Your use of "defiance" noted. You have been assigned drone number ... Coyotl Mar 2013 #19
I wish some of our potential jurors would also read the TOS. Result below. Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #24
check your "facts" Coyotl Mar 2013 #27
"Illegal"? SayWut Mar 2013 #28
"It is only defiance if it's illegal." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #29
What assholes. Robb Mar 2013 #21
Maybe I'll go get one. And toss it in my recycling bin. denverbill Mar 2013 #6
good idea. go get one and then destroy it in front of these assholes. frylock Mar 2013 #12
Let's organize that into a mass movement. Coyotl Mar 2013 #20
absolutely TNLiberal4 Mar 2013 #33
And again, the Delicate Flowers show their deep concern... 99Forever Mar 2013 #9
he's too fucking stupid to understand why limiting mag capacity may save some lives.. frylock Mar 2013 #10
They will be accepting donations for the James Holmes defense fund, however. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #13
If you really care about something, you can make a stand for it." Aristus Mar 2013 #15
This is why gun control will lose. Archae Mar 2013 #16
This is why new laws are needed. Coyotl Mar 2013 #17
Good luck getting those laws passed. ... spin Mar 2013 #26
This attitude is why "gun rights" advocates are going to lose, in the long term. Marr Mar 2013 #18
Ah, the glib sociopath paradigm. Robb Mar 2013 #22
Whatever...these cretins can continue to waste their money alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #25
+1000. And then our "law-abiding gun owners" will just have to make up their minds whether apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #31
In the case of the proposed Colorado ban, it has a grandfather clause. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #35
This goes a long way in destroying what little credibility they have left. reformist2 Mar 2013 #32
I look forward to watching the meltdown... Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #34
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Boulder - Gun rights advo...»Reply #38