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MicaelS

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88. You want to know one of the biggest unspoken reason people own guns?

Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:37 PM

Mar 2013

People own guns as a gesture of defiance towards people who do not like, and want to either severely restrict, or outfight ban guns.

In other words, owning guns, especially guns that are seen as "evil" by some people is a great big FUCK YOU toward those people.

Some people are simply not going to be told how to behave, and will resist any effort to do so. This just does not mean guns, it means telling people what they can eat, or drink, or smoke, or what hobbies they can engage in.

And the harder people try to prohibit things, the harder other people are going to push back against those who want engage in Prohibition.

You can lecture, preach, rant and rave, march in the street, wave placards, and that is just going to harden people's attitudes.

And I'm one of those people.

As long as guns are legal, and I can legally own them, and am mentally and physically capable of using them properly and safely, I will do so. If I ever reach the decision to not own guns, it will be solely on my own accord.

I will not be shamed, or guilt-tripped, or embarrassed into not owning guns. Not by anyone.

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Gun Control Debate Fueling �Explosive� Rise In Far-Right Extremist Groups: Report [View all] Purveyor Mar 2013 OP

Bring back Janet Reno and thank God we have methods to protect against Terrorism graham4anything Mar 2013 #1

Why do you want to bring back Janet Reno? Rex Mar 2013 #2

Hillary/Napolitano in 2016, Eric Holder on the US Supreme Court & Janet Reno back in power graham4anything Mar 2013 #5

This would be an authoritarian's wet-dream, a true dystopian nightmare for the rest of us. appal_jack Mar 2013 #80

The far right only wants a coup when their side loses. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #10

The far right thinks they're entitled to RULE, not govern meow2u3 Mar 2013 #51

Certainly. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #89

Ready the black helicopters! Warm up the drones! onehandle Mar 2013 #3

Yup. They are like the mafia and should be treated as such. graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

"gun collection database" rdharma Mar 2013 #7

Exactly. Little do they know that the ATF have back door access to that data. onehandle Mar 2013 #8

But WHO is going to collect the guns? FrodosPet Mar 2013 #86

Robots. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #87

LOL. Disarm people with tracked IED defusal bots? dairydog91 Mar 2013 #134

I've been joking up to now, but clearly robot soldiers are in our future. onehandle Mar 2013 #143

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #33

Well, Let's See How Long You Last, Fella The Magistrate Mar 2013 #34

Sorry. He caught me dead to rights. onehandle Mar 2013 #38

We are going about Gun Control completely wrong Taverner Mar 2013 #4

We reduced smoking by changing people's behavior hack89 Mar 2013 #11

I agree with you on single payer however... Taverner Mar 2013 #12

You will never be able to stigmatize guns hack89 Mar 2013 #13

Take away the killing and wars aren't so bad either nt Taverner Mar 2013 #14

But Americans will not stigmatize legal gun owners for suicides and violent crime hack89 Mar 2013 #20

If I have my way, we can Taverner Mar 2013 #85

To you all gun owners are "gun nuts". hack89 Mar 2013 #93

Nope, not really Taverner Mar 2013 #94

Then I am ok. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #95

There, Sir, You Are Mistaken The Magistrate Mar 2013 #15

Time will tell hack89 Mar 2013 #18

This Present Passage, Sir, is A Bit Different The Magistrate Mar 2013 #26

ok. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #27

You Are Such a Keen Social Observer, Sir: Your In-Put is Indespensible.... The Magistrate Mar 2013 #30

And what evidence is there that your voice is the loudest? hack89 Mar 2013 #31

It is Not My Voice,Sir, It is That Of 'Team NRA' In Relation To The Group'Gun Owners' The Magistrate Mar 2013 #32

Got it - sorry for the confusion hack89 Mar 2013 #36

And If You Want To Salvage Your Standing Socially Sir, As a Gun-Owner The Magistrate Mar 2013 #37

The problem there is that you expect me to oppose every NRA position hack89 Mar 2013 #39

It is Up To You To Dissociate Yourself, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #40

I don't have a problem to solve hack89 Mar 2013 #41

If You Wish People To Credit Your Claim The NRA Does Not Speak for You, Sir, You Do.... The Magistrate Mar 2013 #43

The issue has polarized DU to the point that it would be meaningless to even try hack89 Mar 2013 #45

Not In The Least, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #46

So if even one of my opinions coincides with one of their arguments hack89 Mar 2013 #47

You Are the One Who Has A Problem With How You Are Perceived, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #49

No - I am actually pointing out why it would be pointless for me to even try hack89 Mar 2013 #50

Your Choice, Sir, But Giving Up Is A Choice, And You Could Choose Differently The Magistrate Mar 2013 #52

How about this hack89 Mar 2013 #54

I Reserve The Right, Sir, To Call Out Support For NRA Positions, When Brought Up And Supported The Magistrate Mar 2013 #56

ok. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #58

Stigmatizing people -- by the tens of millions -- as you suggest seems doomed to failure... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #129

The Prospect Seems To Sting, Ma'am, Which Suggests It Is Quite Feasible, And Already Working The Magistrate Mar 2013 #130

I denounced those, like you, who call themselves liberal... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #139

You Denounced 'Liberalism' As Intolerant, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2013 #140

Yes, But The Gun Militancy Movement Can And Should Be Stigmatized, 24/7. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #16

But that is such a small portion of gun owners hack89 Mar 2013 #19

That "Small Portion Of Gun Owners"..... Paladin Mar 2013 #21

I agree that the NRA's power needs to be curtailed hack89 Mar 2013 #22

Change Will Happen. Not All At Once, But It Will Happen. Paladin Mar 2013 #23

+1000000000000 Taverner Mar 2013 #84

Smoking cigarettes was also "the norm"-- thucythucy Mar 2013 #29

You want to know one of the biggest unspoken reason people own guns? MicaelS Mar 2013 #88

I have a 5 year old niece who's just like you. Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #117

Oppositional/Defiant Disorder, Sir, Is A Treatable Condition: There Is Help Available The Magistrate Mar 2013 #118

Do you, Sir, have trouble comprehending the English Language? MicaelS Mar 2013 #125

I Understand The Language Perfectly, Sir, As Well As The Affliction You Claim To Suffer From The Magistrate Mar 2013 #126

I claim to suffer from no affliction, Sir. MicaelS Mar 2013 #127

You Described Oppositional/Defiance Order To a Tee, Sir, And Said It Guided Your Actions The Magistrate Mar 2013 #128

Psychology has become the cheap seats if intellectual Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #131

The Man Described The Thing To a 'Tee', Ma'am, With Himself As the Model The Magistrate Mar 2013 #132

You really don't have much, do you? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #137

One Apportions Effort, Ma'am, To The Value Of the Target The Magistrate Mar 2013 #138

"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #120

This Isn't The Alamo, And You Aren't William Barret Travis. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #121

No it's not, and no, I am not. MicaelS Mar 2013 #124

I Won't Tell Charlemagne What You Said. You Don't Want Him Pissed At You. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #144

LOL - Good one! n/t MicaelS Mar 2013 #146

Merci Beaucoup. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #147

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it derby378 Mar 2013 #122

Oh believe me, I am not. MicaelS Mar 2013 #123

LOL! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #141

lol pintobean Mar 2013 #145

A suicide isn't going to be needing mental health care Fumesucker Mar 2013 #108

Suicidal people need mental health care. hack89 Mar 2013 #110

Mental health care these days largely consists of being a guinea pig for different drugs Fumesucker Mar 2013 #112

Oh bullshit. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #133

Just relating my own personal experience with "bronze" type insurance Fumesucker Mar 2013 #142

I think the CDC had involved itself at one point... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #25

In a right-wing-soused society, the potential risk posed by militant far-right extremist groups indepat Mar 2013 #9

No surprise there: nearly everything that parades under the pro-NRA banner of "RKBA" and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #17

Sig..line... SQUEE Mar 2013 #24

You need a gun to overcome fear? wtmusic Mar 2013 #48

Nope, and neither do they SQUEE Mar 2013 #55

'You're Just Skeered O' Guns', Sir, Is The Lamest Line "Team NRA' Trots Out The Magistrate Mar 2013 #61

What long and pretty words.. SQUEE Mar 2013 #63

Oh, You A Funny Little Fella, You Are.... The Magistrate Mar 2013 #65

Really, I am educated and proud of it SQUEE Mar 2013 #71

Sure Ya Are, Fella: It Stands Out In Lumps The Magistrate Mar 2013 #72

SQUEEE SQUEE Mar 2013 #74

The Pro-Gun Side Is Winning? In Odessa, TX? Really? Paladin Mar 2013 #67

Hometown vs current home..hmmm SQUEE Mar 2013 #69

Depends On Which Side You're On. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #83

I still haven't forgiven Texas for George W. Bush. n/t ellisonz Mar 2013 #90

Many of us are sooo sorry. SQUEE Mar 2013 #92

But it wasn't ellisonz Mar 2013 #96

big state.. many different types. SQUEE Mar 2013 #97

Fix your state. ellisonz Mar 2013 #98

not my state anymore.. SQUEE Mar 2013 #99

My animosity is toward the right-wing gun culture and its apologists ellisonz Mar 2013 #100

left of center. farther than many would think actually. SQUEE Mar 2013 #102

And you do what to combat the right-wing gun culture? ellisonz Mar 2013 #103

Money equals concern? SQUEE Mar 2013 #104

So you suppor the President's plan to combat gun violence? ellisonz Mar 2013 #105

I don't care what you think i need. SQUEE Mar 2013 #106

The problem is that people in your state keep sending guns to my state. ellisonz Mar 2013 #107

nope, you pay for your own fears. SQUEE Mar 2013 #113

Dude - I just provided you with a link that clearly demonstrates... ellisonz Mar 2013 #114

you brought upmoney. not me. Facts? what facts? SQUEE Mar 2013 #115

Hey since we don't have any recent government studies of these issues (thanks gun lobby) ellisonz Mar 2013 #116

So rude, i see this as another chest ponding pro v anti argument SQUEE Mar 2013 #119

I've probably been shooting for longer than you've been alive wtmusic Mar 2013 #64

no, I mentioned overcoming fear. SQUEE Mar 2013 #68

'Squee' Is The Sound Kitties Make In LolCats Graphics, Fella, is It Not? The Magistrate Mar 2013 #70

My obstinate refusal to get angry over letters arranged in certain patterns SQUEE Mar 2013 #73

Provides Tons O' Fun, Fella, And Will Continue To Do So For The Foreseeable Future The Magistrate Mar 2013 #75

Behind the imperious tone, you are just another barroom baiter. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #135

Ah, Well, Ma'am: What Other People Think Of Me Is None Of My Business.... The Magistrate Mar 2013 #136

And what have we here? Yet *another* "pro gun progressive"* angrily obsessed with my sig line. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #57

hmmm SQUEE Mar 2013 #60

Is A Drawer Missing a Sock, Sir, Or is A Grave Missing A Occupant? The Magistrate Mar 2013 #62

"Jesus wept," the mythical story tells us, and then Lazarus was summoned forth from his tomb... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #66

you make an accusation.. SQUEE Mar 2013 #76

Oh, Thank You For The Laugh, Fella The Magistrate Mar 2013 #78

you got nothing.. SQUEE Mar 2013 #81

I Have All I Need And Most Of What I Want, Fella The Magistrate Mar 2013 #82

I think the NRA empowers itself ... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #77

on this I agree. SQUEE Mar 2013 #79

the black President is wanting to take their guns away.....ignorance and guns. dangerous combination spanone Mar 2013 #28

And what--we are supposed to be intimidated? randr Mar 2013 #35

Nothing will happen until the 2nd amendment is repealed davidn3600 Mar 2013 #42

Massive majority is already a reality randr Mar 2013 #111

You sure we can't use drones on these motherfuckers? backscatter712 Mar 2013 #44

Message auto-removed NCState Mar 2013 #53

Well good. Let them come out of the woodwork and self identify through association. AnnaLee Mar 2013 #59

Surprise, Surprise. ellisonz Mar 2013 #91

Tells you what being "pro-gun" is really all about... villager Mar 2013 #101

Duh.. sendero Mar 2013 #109