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148. Lets be realistic

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:44 AM

Mar 2013

I think we need to be realistic setting our goals and not over-reaching. Gun ownership is an emotional issue for gun owners since they are clearly compensating for something else. That said phrases like "no guns for anyone" really only creates a fight without any real progress on the issue. Lets focus on the easy stuff first where most moderate gun owners can agree to like background checks, straw purchases, and mental health evaluation. After we win that round then we can look at more restrictive ownership measures.

Eventually we can move to a gun free society, but phrases like "guns for law enforcement only" really are not doing us any favors - it simply triggers an instant desire to rush to the gun store for the brains of simple minded gun owners and just puts more guns on the street...

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I think we've already lost the gun control debate. [View all] Archae Mar 2013 OP

Guess I'll just give up then. Chorophyll Mar 2013 #1

No, but we've lost the parts that were bad ideas Recursion Mar 2013 #2

I agree with your last point. Archae Mar 2013 #4

Recursion, I just had to comment on this: thucythucy Mar 2013 #42

Sorry, and thank you. Edited Recursion Mar 2013 #43

You're welcome. thucythucy Mar 2013 #44

Slow and Steady scw211 Mar 2013 #147

Never give up, never say Die pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #3

How to enforce the auto rifle ban? Easy, in a 3 year program. jerseyjack Mar 2013 #5

The auto-rifle ban is 80 years old Recursion Mar 2013 #41

How would you get these weapons off the streets? lastlib Mar 2013 #54

They aren't on the streets. I'm infinitely more concerned about handguns Recursion Mar 2013 #59

Can you explain what you mean by "ring of fire" BainsBane Mar 2013 #145

The 'ring of fire' was a group of inter-related manufacturers of small, inexpensive, petronius Mar 2013 #153

handguns scw211 Mar 2013 #146

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #135

Working for a Gun-Free America. One day at a time. Longterm, the NRA is dead graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

cigs were a different story bossy22 Mar 2013 #9

Second Hand smoke can kill all who breathe it. So do guns and bullets. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15

Second Hand Smoke RobinA Mar 2013 #23

the reason cigs are still made is there are still smokers bossy22 Mar 2013 #26

the people they shoot sure do. graham4anything Mar 2013 #36

So, you think the MAJORITY of gun owners shoot people? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #85

How is the weather there on Fantasy Island? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #77

Because they want to be respectable? graham4anything Mar 2013 #79

What smart business person is going to agree to a clause like that in their contract? Pararescue Mar 2013 #82

The Weird is strong with this one. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #84

The few posts I've read has my eyes rolling and my brain short circuiting. Pararescue Mar 2013 #87

Selling WMDs can't be very satisfying, especially if one of the stores babies is used badly graham4anything Mar 2013 #86

Ooookaaaay then. Pararescue Mar 2013 #88

WMDs? This thread is about guns and you're taking about sarin derby378 Mar 2013 #115

Why does bloombergs personal security detail carry WMDS? beevul Mar 2013 #121

What???? First of all, there is nothing unrespectable about a gun shop. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #83

Working for a gun in the streets free America, by the middle of Hillary's first term. graham4anything Mar 2013 #89

And what role will Pope Michael Bloomberg The Infallible play in your Fantasy Island Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #90

He'll be the soda push-cart vendor! jmg257 Mar 2013 #91

"Here you go. That's 3 ounces of high-fructose corn syrup Coke. That'll be $49.50...AND you have to Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #92

Would you vote for Hillary/Bloomberg on the democratic ticket in 2016? graham4anything Mar 2013 #93

I don't know if a Pope can run as VP. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #94

Your comment is silly. Mike Bloomberg is Jewish. graham4anything Mar 2013 #96

He's also a Republican. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #98

He is not running. He is going to spend the next 30 years making sure the streets are safe graham4anything Mar 2013 #102

Until he's 100? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #104

Because of wellness, his mother lived to 102. Wellness, leads to long lives more than not graham4anything Mar 2013 #105

So does being filthy rich with Wall Street cash. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #106

No, didn't help Steve Jobs, the richest man in history did it? graham4anything Mar 2013 #107

Guns never saved anyone??? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #109

Working for a bullet Free America, one day at a time. And then, you can keep your gun. graham4anything Mar 2013 #129

Such a trifling concern at a time like this. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #108

I wouldn't vote for Bloomberg for dogcatcher. Pararescue Mar 2013 #95

You do know that Warren used to be a republican don't you? graham4anything Mar 2013 #97

Yes, I know that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #99

Would you rather have Warren or Bloomberg on the ticket? nt Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #100

I would rather have Hillary Clintion and Janet Napolitano graham4anything Mar 2013 #101

Gov. Napolitano was much more popular as governor Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #103

She will bring in the southwest states graham4anything Mar 2013 #110

Gun-free streets, or gun-free America? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #18

That would be telling. Wouldn't it? graham4anything Mar 2013 #20

I've seen both phrases from you. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #21

Only people that should have a gun is law enforcement while on duty. graham4anything Mar 2013 #25

i agree bossy22 Mar 2013 #27

Soon after the guns are banned, we can move to your pet projects. graham4anything Mar 2013 #38

They can have my pool Go Vols Mar 2013 #112

Lets be realistic scw211 Mar 2013 #148

Working for a bullet free in the streets America one day at a time. You may keep 100 guns. graham4anything Mar 2013 #150

Except, of course, for weapons in the hands of government employees slackmaster Mar 2013 #56

I'm here to help speed the NRA's demise. lastlib Mar 2013 #58

You could fight them with conventional weapons, SayWut Mar 2013 #75

But we WILL win! lastlib Mar 2013 #78

Nothing like surrendering without trying, is there? 99Forever Mar 2013 #7

Gun control can be passed hack89 Mar 2013 #8

bad gun control is dead bossy22 Mar 2013 #10

"Bad" is in the eye of the beholder pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #19

it's not going anywhere in my state. How do I know? cali Mar 2013 #11

the sky is falling H2O Man Mar 2013 #12

Sounds like you are debating yourself, and you lost to yourself Coyotl Mar 2013 #13

You Think The NRA Has Done A Good Job Of Framing Things? Paladin Mar 2013 #14

The NRA is good at framing it for their purposes. Archae Mar 2013 #24

Temporarily Boosting Gun Sales? Yeah, Maybe. Paladin Mar 2013 #46

There was never any debate, there was a lot of screaming and posturing at both extremes. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #16

Jeez, I tried debating -- even making proposals -- and was called every name in the book. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #111

Message auto-removed Floyd R Turbo Mar 2013 #143

do you think the NRA has salient points on the subject? n/t azurnoir Mar 2013 #144

Whatever alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #17

I'm sorry but 3D printing technology is not so far advanced that widespread home use is an issue... Earth_First Mar 2013 #22

Did you happen to see Rachel's show about this the other night... Little Star Mar 2013 #29

LS, I did not. Perhaps I'll have to look up the video and check it out... Earth_First Mar 2013 #30

Here is a link to the clip from her show on this.... Little Star Mar 2013 #31

Kudos on the link! n/t Earth_First Mar 2013 #32

Some more links which lead to links... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #113

The court cases and legislation that is passing is mostly trending pro-gun rights, Lurks Often Mar 2013 #28

The Great Equalizer is changing it, one candidate at a time. Blackmail by the NRA is ending graham4anything Mar 2013 #37

I have great hopes that Gabby Giffords, Mark Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg's $$ riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #51

Law-abiding citizens abide the law. sadbear Mar 2013 #33

Irrelevant. And facile. Robb Mar 2013 #34

Nonsense. sadbear Mar 2013 #35

Working for a bullet Free America, one day at a time. And then, you can keep your gun. graham4anything Mar 2013 #40

Thats already the law in Chicago. beevul Mar 2013 #122

Because of legal guns going in from the red states with no security. graham4anything Mar 2013 #125

Ah yes, the "guns make them do it" gambit. beevul Mar 2013 #141

Working for a bullet free America, one day at a time. graham4anything Mar 2013 #142

Here's a trio of law abiding citizens for you: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #39

So making it harder for them to commit crimes would have made no difference? sadbear Mar 2013 #45

Wow. You worked real hard on that one Kolesar Mar 2013 #127

What, as compared to your two sentences and a fragment? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #132

Its not clear that it is illegal to fabricate for personal use ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #53

That can be clarified easy enough. Though 'possession of an AW' should cover it, IF jmg257 Mar 2013 #63

the ban would be on new sales, nobody is talking about confiscating Motown_Johnny Mar 2013 #47

Why not? NY passed defacto mag confiscation..certainly should reduce the numbers in circulation. jmg257 Mar 2013 #48

I think if we pass the laws, a huge segment would comply right off the bat. jmg257 Mar 2013 #49

Actually, many of the proponents of gun control played a large part in this derby378 Mar 2013 #50

"Certain gun control advocates....and I have proof." Paladin Mar 2013 #52

The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Make law abiding citizens criminals for owning firearms. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #69

I don't think many new laws would make citizens criminals for owning guns, only if they persisted jmg257 Mar 2013 #73

As I said. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #133

I know what you mean - people picking only those parts of being a community they like, jmg257 Mar 2013 #134

Kind of like picking which parts of the constitution they like. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #136

Some Democratic governors agree ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #55

It'll regain steam after the next mass shooting. sadbear Mar 2013 #61

Yes. 99Forever Mar 2013 #57

The 3D printer thing is a canard jberryhill Mar 2013 #60

Very bad analogy. The threshold for counterfeiting is passing a note off undetected. JVS Mar 2013 #116

I keep on wondering if there is some threshold of gun deaths SheilaT Mar 2013 #62

/\ Ding Ding Ding /\ Enough deaths to diminsh the perceived needs of selfish gun owners? jmg257 Mar 2013 #64

Considering that gun deaths have been steadily declining for a couple of decades hack89 Mar 2013 #65

I doubt it. Those who aren't personally affected would still be more concerned with themselves jmg257 Mar 2013 #67

Fortunately it is unlikely that violent crime rates will reverse anytime soon. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #68

Considering that gun deaths have been steadily declining makes SheilaT Mar 2013 #70

No - your post implied that gun deaths were approaching some sort of threshold hack89 Mar 2013 #71

The best way to make gun deaths decline SheilaT Mar 2013 #117

Your threshold is zero - I get it. hack89 Mar 2013 #118

I have lost several loved ones to lung cancer hack89 Mar 2013 #119

I'm just heartily sick of all of the justifications SheilaT Mar 2013 #120

Marginalizing yourself helps no one but the NRA hack89 Mar 2013 #131

90% of people used to smoke. 90% of people now don't. REGARDLESS of what a smoker might want. graham4anything Mar 2013 #130

Fortunately we have the Patriot Act that you can base your confiscation laws on hack89 Mar 2013 #66

That lot have a lot of newfound love for the Patriot Act and super-PACS. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #72

"...door to door and taking away the guns." Actually, rather popular here if you look up thread... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #114

It was lost when the focus shifted to whether or not a rifle can have a pistol grip krispos42 Mar 2013 #74

That's roughly how I see it. SayWut Mar 2013 #80

I don't think it is so much about persons who "think about kiiling people a lot", as it is about jmg257 Mar 2013 #81

It's not really losing when it was unwinnable from the start. SayWut Mar 2013 #76

It was a tale told by an idiot, full of sounds and fury, signifying nothing Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #123

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gun control will be implemented sooner or later.... dtom67 Mar 2013 #126

Would you keep a product that could get you ten years in jail? Kolesar Mar 2013 #128

Millions of Americans do right now Recursion Mar 2013 #137

Message auto-removed MarcusTulliusCicero Mar 2013 #139

Message auto-removed MarcusTulliusCicero Mar 2013 #138

you were never supposed to win it. raw meat to fire up the troops. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #140

REGROUP!!!! scw211 Mar 2013 #149

Hello scw211 In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #154

People have been making gun parts at home madville Mar 2013 #151

That's okay. We'll deal with the criminals making semi-auto gun parts at home. Zen Democrat Mar 2013 #152

*cough* Robb Mar 2013 #155