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paulbibeau

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152. Yes... but...

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:04 AM

Mar 2013

if he says something true, that thing does not magically stop being true because he said it.

Even if he doesn't mean it. Awhile back a bunch of stone hypocrites got together and said we were all created equal, and endowed with life, liberty, and the right to pursue happiness.

They didn't mean it. Not fully. Many of them were actual owners of human beings.

The words were still true. You see?

The words. We could take the ideas Rand Paul expressed, make them better, move forward and have the important discussion about limiting the use of flying killer robots. Because when our country starts resembling the bad guys in the Terminator movies, it is time to fucking RETHINK policy.

Or we could whine about what a jagoff Rand Paul is. Which he is. And I want to beat him with this issue, not support him. But we have bigger things to discuss now, don't we? Can't we be bigger people about this? Can't we see the truth?

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] paulbibeau Mar 2013 OP

Declaring war should be under the authority of Congress not the executive branch still_one Mar 2013 #1

Duh..... lumpy Mar 2013 #60

it can be argued that Viet Nam and Iraq were wars? still_one Mar 2013 #81

Even if it sounds, smells, tastes, and kills like a war TommyCelt Mar 2013 #133

Rand Paul is a snake oil salesman just like his Daddy BootinUp Mar 2013 #2

I agree. It's moot. He's still about this... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #9

He's not arguing against using drones on American soil, he wants clarity as to when. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #3

Then we need to make the stronger argument. LOUDLY. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #8

People want jobs, healthcare, education, better wages. This drone talk is becoming just paranoia. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #17

We need more oversight and restraint... not a letter telling us what he's going to do. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #23

Hey I'm all for oversight/restraint but republicans created this mess. Now they're pointing fingers? JaneyVee Mar 2013 #26

I'm sure he is. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #92

I didn't realize "the Left" had... 99Forever Mar 2013 #16

It's actually my old position. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #20

How does that relate to your claiming to speak for "the Left?" 99Forever Mar 2013 #33

So then you're FOR drones? JaneyVee Mar 2013 #88

What I am "FOR" isn't the question. 99Forever Mar 2013 #90

I'm the one saying the Left is anti-drone, you're claiming I don't speak for the Left. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #101

Wait. He's arguing with you, not me? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #104

I don't even know what the argument is about. I agree we need oversight & restraint, I just don't JaneyVee Mar 2013 #108

I'm not "claiming" anything at all, beyond that... 99Forever Mar 2013 #109

When did I claim such a thing ever? I said The Left is anti-drone. You told me I don't speak for JaneyVee Mar 2013 #111

You know what? I'm totally sorry if I said... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #91

I wasn't even commenting to you. 99Forever Mar 2013 #93

No, it's totally me. Sorry. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #112

Thanks for the smile. 99Forever Mar 2013 #113

Exactly. Peace! paulbibeau Mar 2013 #114

The truth is what it is. It doesn't matter who says it. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #21

Not my argument. 99Forever Mar 2013 #37

I don't remember taking on a spokesperson role here. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #69

This....THIS RIGHT HERE. TommyCelt Mar 2013 #107

I agree with your sentiment, taste in music, and ethnic heritage. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #110

The Left is against using drones anywhere??? progressoid Mar 2013 #75

They may be left-wing but I wouldn't consider them The Left. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #103

Do we really need another topic kissing Rand Paul's ass? Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #4

Then obviously it needs to be said 50001 times... because nothing has changed. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #6

+100% demwing Mar 2013 #35

If he's being hypocritical, and he is, he's wrong. Plain and simple. bigtree Mar 2013 #5

I want him in the discussion, because it ought to shame us... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #7

I'll never be 'shamed ' by opportunists/hypocrites like Paul and his ilk. bigtree Mar 2013 #10

Are you going to write to your Congressperson today on this? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #14

whew bigtree Mar 2013 #22

I'm just pointing something out that's obviously true. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #24

consider the object of your praise bigtree Mar 2013 #31

Not praising him. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #32

ah, commending him, then, for his superior defense bigtree Mar 2013 #41

No. Not even that. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #82

past the op bigtree Mar 2013 #95

I'm not saying he did more for freedom over the course of a long period of time... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #98

Bravo! Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #157

Fuck Rand Paul... SidDithers Mar 2013 #11

Are you going to write to your Congressperson today on the drone strikes? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #15

which drone strikes? snooper2 Mar 2013 #51

LOL tridim Mar 2013 #156

Freedom of speech. Remember ? Put up or shut up ? lumpy Mar 2013 #58

It's not a command. It's an observation on his relevance. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #85

Or the MP of his riding? Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #78

If he was making noise about the deployment of drones, then yes Schema Thing Mar 2013 #12

So we need to start questioning the bigger problem. We. Democrats. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #18

Yes indeed, we have killed US citizens just using different tools, not drones. lumpy Mar 2013 #57

i shit paul spanone Mar 2013 #13

I thought I made my position on the man clear. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #19

I just love the smell of troll bait in the morning. DeadEyeDyck Mar 2013 #25

I've noticed everybody makes this about the personalities... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #28

I venture to say that the issue of drones is being dealt with legally just as any other issue lumpy Mar 2013 #64

I definitely don't think we live in a dictatorship... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #94

How does our membership in the UN affect our foreign policy ? Does this have any lumpy Mar 2013 #136

"What permanent war are you referring to?" Uh, the ongoing one... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #100

Did you read the Esquire article on the guy who killed bin Laden? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #102

It's an embarrassment that more Dems aren't taking a stronger stand against drones. reformist2 Mar 2013 #27

Yes. Thank you. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #30

The real embarassment, speaking about weapons, is that the Republicans and their offshoots lumpy Mar 2013 #67

And so is a broken fucking watch twice a day DainBramaged Mar 2013 #29

You might have a point if... BklnDem75 Mar 2013 #34

Clearly, Dems have better motives demwing Mar 2013 #36

On this... and only this... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #39

Agreed demwing Mar 2013 #48

The issue isn't going away. There is always the issue of the GOP trying to get control lumpy Mar 2013 #71

It's not about listening to Rand Paul. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #38

How can he be right about something he has no intention of changing? BklnDem75 Mar 2013 #44

And truth coming from an opponent is difficult to accept demwing Mar 2013 #50

It's nice when someone gets what you're trying to say. Thank you. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #52

Trust me, this gives me no pleasure. demwing Mar 2013 #55

Wait... you mean bag of dicks is a separate thing? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #70

It's also his senate email address (bagofdicks@senate.gov) demwing Mar 2013 #73

No, it doesn't sting at all, demwing. What gives you that idea ? lumpy Mar 2013 #77

Because it stings me demwing Mar 2013 #80

It don't sting. He's playing people. BklnDem75 Mar 2013 #97

YMMV demwing Mar 2013 #115

Rand Paul does not care about Drones. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #40

Sure. But that's moot. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #42

Maybe to you. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #46

Will you take Eric Holder seriously? That's the issue. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #83

+1 Chorophyll Mar 2013 #120

Yes he doesn't mean it... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #43

Actually, no, it's not the truth. Schema Thing Mar 2013 #45

+100 JoePhilly Mar 2013 #47

Dick Cheney used that argument all the time to defend torture. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #49

If... LeftyChristian Mar 2013 #63

oh please. Schema Thing Mar 2013 #65

Jesus Christ !!!! lumpy Mar 2013 #74

Of course you are absolutely correct. woo me with science Mar 2013 #53

You see? I knew there were Democrats on this site! paulbibeau Mar 2013 #54

Woo me with science not political rhetoric. lumpy Mar 2013 #79

No, he's not. We're not killing people with drones here. The President didn't TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #56

This is a good point. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #150

David Duke likes ALL the same thing Rand Paul does. David Duke hates all the same people Rand does. graham4anything Mar 2013 #59

But Obama is the King of King's!!! Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #61

Exactly right. Those four words sting because they should. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #62

Even John Cusack is asking "Where are the Democrats?" Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #66

John "Is the President just another Ivy League asshole?" Cusack? Robb Mar 2013 #68

A stopped clock is right twice a day. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #72

Party before country...sickens me nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #76

The definition of an "uncomfortable truth". And it's much too uncomfortable for most DUers. (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #84

Right now it's painful, but I honestly think... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #89

Winner quote roxy1234 Mar 2013 #86

Yes. Thank you. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #148

The only way ProSense Mar 2013 #87

Well, either he's right, or Democrats were wrong when Bush was president. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #96

Yes. Especially the last part. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #99

Yep. Far right. KamaAina Mar 2013 #105

That's pretty funny. No one even mentioned that. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #106

For those who see no problem with extra-judicial assassination demwing Mar 2013 #116

Have you just seen the front page of HuffPost? nt paulbibeau Mar 2013 #117

I have demwing Mar 2013 #119

What's really sad is... BklnDem75 Mar 2013 #121

That is extremely sad demwing Mar 2013 #123

The idea that Rand Paul gives a shit about *anything* is ludicrous. Chorophyll Mar 2013 #118

He's a bullshit artist, and he voted in favor of the NDAA - fuck him tjwash Mar 2013 #124

Fuck Rand Paul, and all his apologists. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #122

Oh you mean OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #141

Rand Paul is a cretin! n/t RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #125

So he's a cretin for opposing Bush policies? Then what does that make all of us sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #128

Get off of the Rand Paul bandwagon. RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #129

Lol, and another failed attempt at using Paul sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #137

Why do you think RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #158

Like I said, if getting Paul to support an issue that has long been supported by sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #159

Make NO assumptions about what I believe. nt patrice Mar 2013 #126

I see the usual subjects are obfuscating for the Administration. U4ikLefty Mar 2013 #127

Or perhaps "the usual suspects" believe that Rand Paul is far more dangerous to Chorophyll Mar 2013 #130

It's the ISSUE, Chorophyll TommyCelt Mar 2013 #131

Just to be clear about my OP... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #132

^^^case in point U4ikLefty Mar 2013 #135

Yup that's me, a "usual suspect." I've never seen you before, but I guess you've been Chorophyll Mar 2013 #138

So true, their ad-hom attacks overwhelm their ability to think about the issue just1voice Mar 2013 #147

Fuck Rand Paul. JTFrog Mar 2013 #134

Rand Paul is a Timothy McVeigh wannabe NNN0LHI Mar 2013 #139

Not according to Al Giordano.. Cha Mar 2013 #140

Yes, a ploy. And it has worked. Now Liberals have abandoned Civil Rights because of sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #142

Do you know the so-called Frontline program to take the House for Dems? paulbibeau Mar 2013 #143

Link that show, man Kolesar Mar 2013 #154

Not a show - but here. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #155

Paul is being an IDIOT. "Promise you won't attack a person in a cafe with a drone." FUCKING CRAZY ! RBInMaine Mar 2013 #144

Rand Paul is a kook creeksneakers2 Mar 2013 #145

Your entire post is VERY well said. Rand Paul is being NUTTY, and the whole issue is being HYPED. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #163

So you made a thread telling us the broken clock was right a couple of times today? donheld Mar 2013 #146

I said he was wrong, bad, and a hypocrite in the OP. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #149

What's his take on tax shelters to the wealtiest Americans ? orpupilofnature57 Mar 2013 #151

Yes... but... paulbibeau Mar 2013 #152

Good post, but don't expect it to be understood. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #160

Absolutely. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #161

Rand Paul didn't state anything. He just bloviated a loaded question Kolesar Mar 2013 #153

"Grandstand With Rand" !!! aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #165

Ok, forget about Rand Paul OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #162

Yes. paulbibeau Mar 2013 #164

Yeah I get what you mean OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #166