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morningfog

(18,115 posts) Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:24 AM Mar 2013

My beef with drones is not the boogey-man "on US soil", it's Obama's Bush-Lite Doctrine [View all]

The Bush Doctrine of pre-emption has been embraced by the Obama Administration. Favoring pre-emptive drone strikes as a matter of course and policy over invasion, it a Bush-Lite pre-emption.

Obama has ordered hundreds of pre-emptive drone strikes in several countries. These acts of war are carried out wholly by the Executive and prior to any attacks on US soil. The drone wars target and kill "suspected" terrorists. Most of the strikes target suspicious activities and the identities of the dead are never known.

The vast majority of the thousand or so killed had absolutely no involvement with the attacks of September 11. Hell, most of the targets were still toddlers at the time.

The Obama (Bush-Lite) Doctrine of pre-emptive acts of war as routine is a disturbing precedent. When you add to it the constitutionally questionable assassination of US citizens abroad, it just adds another log on the fire.

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My beef with drones is not the boogey-man "on US soil", it's Obama's Bush-Lite Doctrine [View all] morningfog Mar 2013 OP

The USS Cole, our African embassies, WTC '93 Kolesar Mar 2013 #1

Which of Obama's strikes targeted participants of each of those? morningfog Mar 2013 #2

Recently? Good grief. Fahd al Quso, killed May 2012. Robb Mar 2013 #25

3-4 thousand people killed by drone strikes so far n2doc Mar 2013 #30

Not at all. Read the question asked. Robb Mar 2013 #31

Not to mention that we do not have any evidence that any of the claims made sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #49

600,000 dead BO 08 Mar 2013 #82

My beef is Porterhouse or Rib Eye...however I am on a Wellness Program the last year... graham4anything Mar 2013 #3

Who said jack shit about 3rd parties or Rand. You have a strange obssession morningfog Mar 2013 #5

The repertoire of "defense" is limited woo me with science Mar 2013 #37

C Bonobo Mar 2013 #6

LOL! Yep. Somebody's got snakes on their plane. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #11

Don't start that lark again dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #15

THANK YOU!!!! Bonobo Mar 2013 #4

When Bush made his power grabs, we asked "how can we challenge this?" morningfog Mar 2013 #7

Wrongo. That is one helleva sleight of hand worthy of David Copperfield. graham4anything Mar 2013 #8

Read up on the unitary executive. That should help you. morningfog Mar 2013 #14

Too bad you apparently weren't around when it all started. What a sad post. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #50

And as usual you (or the character you play here) don't know what the fuck you're talking about. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #64

What this guy ^ said. bvar22 Mar 2013 #75

Sadly, too many never ask, even in the face of obvious, "WTF are they thinking?" RC Mar 2013 #26

I totally agree with you Janecita Mar 2013 #33

very succinct and right on! choie Mar 2013 #40

Well said. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #39

Amen. 840high Mar 2013 #46

It stands to reason Deny and Shred Mar 2013 #9

Well, now...that's a good point onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #12

We're already on North Korea's "radar" TommyCelt Mar 2013 #17

We already protect international terrorists! Janecita Mar 2013 #36

What if a terrorist like OBL that isnt an American citizen but just on American soil. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #68

Why would they need a drone? BO 08 Mar 2013 #83

Of course it will never be used in an illegal fashion. Trust big brother. Drink the kool-aide. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #84

I gave financial support to a Terrorist Organization in the 70s. bvar22 Mar 2013 #76

At least you are aware that the program existed prior to yesterday morning. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #10

Obama makes moderate Republican ideas look CLASSY and don't you forget it, mister! Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #13

I know, let's all go and instead of Hillary/Napolitano who will win in 2016, graham4anything Mar 2013 #16

cult of personality fascisthunter Mar 2013 #27

C graham4anything Mar 2013 #28

You do like torturers and enablers, don't you? idwiyo Mar 2013 #77

i agree. on us soil or foreign soil, same difference to me. on foreign soil is actually worse in HiPointDem Mar 2013 #18

If it was ProSense Mar 2013 #19

Killing people on foreign soil dotymed Mar 2013 #20

I agree existentialist Mar 2013 #21

I disagree that this is a "Bush" Doctrine alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #22

Why are killing people around the world to begin with? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #53

I spent no time justifying anything alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #56

Yes, you are correct, my apologies. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #59

Clinton briefed some members of Congress before the Sudan and Afghanistan strikes alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #67

The US has been pre-emptively killing people on foreign soil for quite some time.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #23

It's Pathetic that This Post even Needs to be Posted fascisthunter Mar 2013 #24

Thank you. woo me with science Mar 2013 #34

+1 nt Zorra Mar 2013 #80

My prediction 90-percent Mar 2013 #29

+10000 woo me with science Mar 2013 #35

This story makes that case Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #61

K&R, but it's not "lite" in any sense of the word. woo me with science Mar 2013 #32

"He has escalated the corporate, neocon, police/surveillance state. " ProSense Mar 2013 #38

Nope. No "lite" there. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #43

Stateless Terrorism Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #41

Search warrants are a hassle too... think Mar 2013 #47

Seems whomever is president think Mar 2013 #42

BINGO!!!!! Fuddnik Mar 2013 #44

Please respond to post #22 elias7 Mar 2013 #45

Any of the others has more substance than post "#22 bahrbearian Mar 2013 #48

Actually alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #51

Code Pink; DU leftists; etc.) ? bahrbearian Mar 2013 #54

Not true alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #57

My Apologies bahrbearian Mar 2013 #58

DUers like being obtusers...eom Kolesar Mar 2013 #52

Often issues seem like they split people into an emotional dichotomy elias7 Mar 2013 #62

Maybe it's the pheromes from the urine they track back from the lavatory Kolesar Mar 2013 #65

Calling America's enemies "boogey men" is Alex Jones territory. Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #55

You misread. morningfog Mar 2013 #60

Whar ever happened to THIS guy? bvar22 Mar 2013 #63

I guess we would have to know what he meant by "imminent". nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #69

Yep. bvar22 Mar 2013 #71

The irony of the domino theory is that it looks like Communist China is a bigger threat since rhett o rick Mar 2013 #73

That's campaign Obama, silly. woo me with science Mar 2013 #72

The drones are used as PR so the bosses don't have to admit to losing another war. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #66

I think drone strikes are acts of war alarimer Mar 2013 #70

If you are going to take that attitude, define "war". rhett o rick Mar 2013 #74

Drone strikes are acts of state sanctioned terrorism, IMNSHO. idwiyo Mar 2013 #79

Too bad Bush didnt just use a drone to take out Sadam Hussein. DCBob Mar 2013 #78

How would that be a good idea? You do know that morningfog Mar 2013 #81

You do know that most people agreed getting rid of Hussein was a good idea.. DCBob Mar 2013 #85