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RC

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3. How can we be the Greatest nation on earth, if we can't/won't even take care of our own citizens?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:39 AM
Mar 2013
Every other industrialized nation has a form of Universal Health Care. None of those other countries want to go back to what they had before. And for sure, absolutely none of them want what we have now for health care in this country.
So why is it so hard to go with the most obvious, the most humane course of action, which is what every other industrialized nation on the planet has already done? Single Payer, Universal Health Care. The hard work has already been done by these countries. All we have to do is cherry pick what works. What is so hard about that?

Health care in other countries is a social service. Here in the United States, it's big business. Your money or your life. No money? Die and get out of the way for someone with money.

We have NO real health care system care in this country. What we do have is a for profit, patchwork of coverage for some people, if they can afford it that is, and literally nothing for many millions of others. If you are too sick to work regularly or to maintain a job that does provide health insurance, then you will have most likely not be able to afford health insurance. And you most likely will remain too sick to work. That is a terrible cycle and one that this country MUST eliminate.
Why do we stand for this shoddy treatment when other governments actually take care of their people? I do not understand. For starts, what we need to do is what other governments have done decades ago. And that was to prohibit the "Your Money or Your Life" health insurance companies from covering general health care. Why do we still allow this?

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How likely is this to pass? drm604 Mar 2013 #1
I'd imagine that something like this will take a lot of time to pass Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #4
When it happens, companies will FLOOD in to "create jobs".. SoCalDem Mar 2013 #54
Make it happen with Health Care for All--PA eridani Mar 2013 #6
It won't happen with our current state government. drm604 Mar 2013 #23
I think it's very likely to pass in NY State.... ReRe Mar 2013 #55
All I can say is "wow!" Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #2
But at the same time, the NY legislature is defunding programs for the disabed, so I don't Squinch Mar 2013 #47
How can we be the Greatest nation on earth, if we can't/won't even take care of our own citizens? RC Mar 2013 #3
Agreed Plucketeer Mar 2013 #25
You're not serious about that "greates nation on earth" nonsense are you? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #50
Well, we could rightfully claim that at one time RC Mar 2013 #53
What time was that, before the Europeans got here? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #59
Sounds about right. RC Mar 2013 #61
That's all you got from my post? RC Mar 2013 #62
Wow. ananda Mar 2013 #5
Check out state chapters of Physicians for a National Health Program eridani Mar 2013 #7
Well that state used to be my state of Calif. Left Coast2020 Mar 2013 #56
Wouldn't single payer in one state lead to reverse cherry-picking? Jim Lane Mar 2013 #8
Most state single payer bills have residency requirements n/t eridani Mar 2013 #9
And how difficult is that? dkf Mar 2013 #11
If you had to be a resident for two years to qualify... thesquanderer Mar 2013 #46
Not to mention which, single payer doesn't give people jobs or housing n/t eridani Mar 2013 #51
That's what I am wondering. dkf Mar 2013 #10
Of course you were Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #28
Even if they say you need to be a resident are they then going to leave these people on the side dkf Mar 2013 #30
That's exactly what's happening in Vermont right now Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #36
If they want to take that on more power to them. dkf Mar 2013 #39
But such elderly people are 100% covered by Medicare and Medicaid. happyslug Mar 2013 #44
Vermont has not yet implemented single-payer. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #49
Just speculating here, but I don't think that it would be unmanagable Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #13
Countries that actually have single-payer generally provide true emergency care only to foreigners Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #18
Exactly. Though many might be tempted to visit a "Single Payer" State for treatment... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #20
Or you could be desperate. dkf Mar 2013 #31
Yes. It might make sense for many but human nature being what it is... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #34
You'd have to qualify to be a resident The Blue Flower Mar 2013 #17
Presumably, there could be a residency requirement. But you also have to think of the size jeff47 Mar 2013 #24
Yes, that would be tragic. (Not.) eggplant Mar 2013 #42
There's no call to make your analogy to slavery. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #48
Single payer is going to happen. Our current system has been a mess, providing miniscule coverage mother earth Mar 2013 #12
Watching Dan Rather this morning, he was speaking of all of the dotymed Mar 2013 #14
Even faster, if all the army medics were trained to become nurse practitioners or physician's Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #19
Do we have a nurse shortage? dkf Mar 2013 #32
I'm talking about nurse-practitioners and PA's, who can perform routine checkups and treat minor Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #43
hooray riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #15
Gun control, fracking, single payer... bluedigger Mar 2013 #16
Very good things theKed Mar 2013 #33
Do they have a supermajority? bluedigger Mar 2013 #35
I'm not sure theKed Mar 2013 #37
And our dumb state (WI) is gutting our once great public health insurance program AllyCat Mar 2013 #21
Paying my health insurance is crushing our family business. The premiums are INSANE. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #22
This is fucking awesome! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #26
++++++++! BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #27
I've never understood that, either. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #41
way to go NY. Here in Co. our new Democratic majority is moving gun regulation mountain grammy Mar 2013 #29
I was hopeful of this.... Wounded Bear Mar 2013 #38
How does this work with different doctors charging different rates? pnwmom Mar 2013 #40
Under global budgeting, health care providers would negotiate yearly with the eridani Mar 2013 #52
And will some doctors be able to opt out altogether, like they can with Medicaid? n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #57
Only if they don't want any patients except for those wealthy enough to opt out n/t eridani Mar 2013 #58
The Federal Court has ruled you can become a resident of a state within 30 days happyslug Mar 2013 #45
Kick for progressive change Politicub Mar 2013 #60
Kick Quantess Mar 2013 #63
Assembly Health Chair: 2013 ‘A Superb Year’ To Pass Single-Payer Insurance eridani Mar 2013 #64
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