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122. Agree, Gore wouldn't have handed the ME to Rumsfeld

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:11 PM

Mar 2013

Even though Powell was SoS, the Bush/Cheney policy took responsibility for the Middle East out of State's hands and gave it to Defense. Powell was visiting other parts of the world and Rummy was turning up the heat on a bubbling cauldron. The oil business back Bushies were pushing on the Talaban to approve a pipeline and had even provided them ~$30M to sweeten the pot. After what bin Laden had seen in Saudi from the mix of oil and politics, that made him even more determined.

The Clinton admin had supported business overtures, but with the militarized NeoCon oil cabal installed in office, who could trust the US intentions in the region?

No one thinks Gore would have been perfect, but it took a concerted full time effort for 8 years to screw it up as badly as it turned out. It was no accident and we're probably just lucky it wasn't worse, they just ran out of time.

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Does anyone believe that if Gore had been inaugurated as POTUS in 2000, [View all] raccoon Mar 2013 OP

I doubt it - but we still definitely would have invaded Afghanistan. nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #1

Why? The 9/11 attacks might well have been prevented (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #3

Fair point - if they were prevented, we wouldn't have. nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #4

Richard Clark had an action plan ready that was ignored by the bushies Gothmog Mar 2013 #71

Why? WE WEREN'T ATTACKED BY A NATION STATE. aquart Mar 2013 #27

The difference is that it would have ended with an arrest nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #30

I think it would have been handled like annabanana Mar 2013 #31

And when Afghanistan refused us entry into their nation? What would we have done? nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #35

I'm not sure how they could have stopped us. . n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #38

They did have a military - not much of one - but they had one. nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #39

9/11 may not have happened Blue4Texas Mar 2013 #104

I doubt it. The smart people knew that invading a country to root out terrorists is Cleita Mar 2013 #116

Assuming Gore didn't prevent 9/11 he would have had to. nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #118

No he wouldn't. Cleita Mar 2013 #119

Again - assuming that Gore didn't prevent 9/11 el_bryanto Mar 2013 #120

He probably would have sent special forces to get bin Laden, not invade a whole Cleita Mar 2013 #121

Information that came out after has pretty much shown that 9/11 could have been bluestate10 Mar 2013 #131

Not if 9/11 had been prevented because Gore paid attention to intelligence and took action. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #130

Well, I sure know we wouldn't be sitting here worrying about SS and Medicare? ananda Mar 2013 #2

...because Al Gore would have been the perfect liberal of everyone's dreams? brooklynite Mar 2013 #24

he had a lockbox. nt grasswire Mar 2013 #78

Because he invented the internet. TommyCelt Mar 2013 #83

Because he reinvented government Blue4Texas Mar 2013 #105

Remember Bill Clinton left a surplus and Al Gore had said in his campaign Cleita Mar 2013 #117

In that alternate course of events, a Republican might be president now. subterranean Mar 2013 #41

That was not the question treestar Mar 2013 #65

Yup I do madokie Mar 2013 #5

Can you expand on this? Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #63

You know like being a soldier in a war madokie Mar 2013 #113

In what world do you think many or most... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #125

I doubt it very much. I also doubt that 9/11 would have happened. Gore would sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #6

I agree he would have paid more attention, hughee99 Mar 2013 #16

For one, I believe President Gore would've paid more attention to airline security. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #66

He sure wouldn't have ignored "hair on fire" officials the way annabanana Mar 2013 #33

Makes me wonder if 911 would've even been a threat. vankuria Mar 2013 #48

I do... KansDem Mar 2013 #7

Gore couldn't even run a decent campaign, what makes you think Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #8

So ending the Iraq war is expanding it? JoePhilly Mar 2013 #11

Bush set the timetable for Iraq ending. Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #14

Actually ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #18

Was bush bombing more or less countries the Obama is? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #44

You seem very confused. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #79

I love the way the war mongers move the goal post as to "boots on the ground" Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #91

Any killing is war? Then we have 100,000 wars per year in the US. Not only that stevenleser Mar 2013 #93

100,000 killing sanctioned by the state? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #94

Now you are moving the goalposts. Using your own logic from above. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #98

How? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #127

That person has a meme and no facts will divert them from it. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #52

No kidding ... and ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #81

Theme song time. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #85

Bwhahahahahaha!!! Awesome JoePhilly Mar 2013 #88

*SPEW!!!!!!!!!!* Skraxx Mar 2013 #114

President Obama could have changed that time line. So President Obama ended the Iraq war. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #132

What makes you think people who voted for nader who have voted for gore? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #134

Oh, good grief. aquart Mar 2013 #37

I prefer not killing people who pose no real threat to us. Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #43

I guess in your world. Bush ran a better campaign hfojvt Mar 2013 #45

There you go with all that logic and stuff. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #69

He won didn't he? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #73

Bush didn't win, he stole with the aid of the corporate media and Supreme Court. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #75

Also, pretending that Bush "won" riqster Mar 2013 #100

He got by hfojvt Mar 2013 #101

I am not "blaming the victim". Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #106

A better campaign Blue4Texas Mar 2013 #107

No. In the posters world, Nader is not at fault. Saint Ralph. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #133

results mongering. unblock Mar 2013 #58

If he didn't suck so bad at his campaign none of that would have mattered. Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #74

you act as if the playing field was level. unblock Mar 2013 #76

OMG Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #90

oh, ok, i stand corrected. the media was completely fair. unblock Mar 2013 #95

When has the media ever been fair? Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #97

i think you have to go back a long, long time to find media as biased as it was in 2000. unblock Mar 2013 #99

just look at what happened after the Debate, the polls right after showed Gore with a Clear Win JI7 Mar 2013 #108

exactly. the media spin on gore walking over near shrub and shurb jumped was also ridiculous! unblock Mar 2013 #112

Gore was the prime political leader for opening the Internet to the people. Truth be known that Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #141

I believe the invasion would have taken place anyway. Whisp Mar 2013 #9

Gore would have continued the Clinton policy of sanctions/containment Yavin4 Mar 2013 #10

I don't think Gore would have invaded Iraq RZM Mar 2013 #12

Yes, in my opinion we would have invaded Iraq Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #13

We were surely in confrontation with Bin Laden, I'm not sure about Iraq HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #15

That is all possible. n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #21

A U.S. led coalition invaded Iraq in '91, the CIA attempted to organize a coup in '96... Make7 Mar 2013 #22

Yes there was confrontation around protecting the Kurds and supporting that shield HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #32

Well, trying to oust Saddam is a little bit more than just enforcing no-fly zones. Make7 Mar 2013 #46

Agree n2doc Mar 2013 #17

Good point. treestar Mar 2013 #68

Bush made economic mistakes after the Dot.com crash that extended the economic bluestate10 Mar 2013 #136

As Boener would say... fadedrose Mar 2013 #19

Gore would not have pushed Richard Clarke and his team into the lower teirs JoePhilly Mar 2013 #20

Also, Gore would not have packed his administration with PNAC members. subterranean Mar 2013 #23

Agree. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #25

9-11 never would have happened. So,had Ralph not thrown the election of 2000, NO IRAQ graham4anything Mar 2013 #26

Still singing the same song and dance, I see TfG Mar 2013 #87

He's right. Truth is truth. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author TfG Mar 2013 #138

Nader being in the election may have affected the outcome, but TfG Mar 2013 #139

Gore's greatest problem would have been his Vice President. gordianot Mar 2013 #28

What possible reason would Gore have had edhopper Mar 2013 #29

Our world would have been sweet. Baitball Blogger Mar 2013 #34

I don't think so, but I don't really know. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #36

I believe that would have made Lieberman Vice President thelordofhell Mar 2013 #40

i think President Gore would have stopped the 911 tragedy samsingh Mar 2013 #42

Didnt notice that you had beaten me to it! stevenleser Mar 2013 #51

Nope. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #47

Anyone who believes Gore would not have invaded Iraq should listen to ....Gore. former9thward Mar 2013 #49

A position they didn't act on for 8 years. Its obvious Saddam was a monster, are Reagan sold him the Erose999 Mar 2013 #56

False, they did act on it. former9thward Mar 2013 #60

If I remember correctly, at that time Iraq was violating the no-fly-zones. And a bombing campaign Erose999 Mar 2013 #142

Not only that, I think Gore's National Security Team would have stopped the 9/11 attacks stevenleser Mar 2013 #50

52 warnings. No, I doubt he would have blown off those warnings. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #55

Because after the country is attacked, the right thing to do is rally around the government and stevenleser Mar 2013 #59

Excuse me but the emphasis was never on those who committed that crime. The sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #61

That is a matter of debate. Al Qaeda camps and areas of operation were in Afghanistan. stevenleser Mar 2013 #70

What Al Queda camps were in Iraq? And most Afghanis had no idea what 9/11 sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #126

I agree with you 100% on Iraq. I disagree about Afghanistan. I would have gone into Afghanistan if I stevenleser Mar 2013 #128

There were plenty of protests against that invasion and plenty of good reporting sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #140

None of us really know bigwillq Mar 2013 #53

Gore probably would have been a "caretaker" president and not made any waves. Erose999 Mar 2013 #54

No, because 9/11 would not have happened. MindPilot Mar 2013 #57

This n/t whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #62

And what are you basing this on? RZM Mar 2013 #111

No. treestar Mar 2013 #64

And even if they weren't, we accomplished all the objectives in Afghanistan in the first 90 days Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #67

I don't either, raccoon. Octafish Mar 2013 #72

Of course we wouldn't have invaded them nor would there have been 9/11/01 either! emsimon33 Mar 2013 #77

Gore would have been inagurated as POTUS if 6 percent of Dems in NH hadn't voted Bush Fumesucker Mar 2013 #80

Interesting, but... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #82

just to pick a nit, gore's inauguration would have been in 2001. unblock Mar 2013 #84

What if Lieberman had been inaugurated as POTUS in 2001? sofa king Mar 2013 #86

That would be the problem Blue4Texas Mar 2013 #109

I don't. He would have prevented 911 mzmolly Mar 2013 #89

911 more than likely would have happened 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #92

Gore wasn't a senior officer with Halliburton like asshole Cheney. lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #96

No, and 911 would still be only primarily known as an emergency phone call number. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #102

As long as we're playing "what if" games, if Gore was inaugurated in 2001 and died in 2002 tularetom Mar 2013 #103

I doubt it quinnox Mar 2013 #110

Of course not. Invading Iraq was a wet dream of the PNACers. Cleita Mar 2013 #115

Agree, Gore wouldn't have handed the ME to Rumsfeld bigbrother05 Mar 2013 #122

My bets are as follows... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #123

bush's war of aggression against iraq arely staircase Mar 2013 #124

I don't believe for a minute. ElboRuum Mar 2013 #129

No way. Afghanistan, yes. Iraq? No way. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #135