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Jim Lane

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48. There's no call to make your analogy to slavery.

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:32 PM

Mar 2013

My concern is not that some people might get health care. (As a cancer survivor who's too young for Medicare, I might end up being a medical refugee myself.) As my post made clear, my concern was for how a bad experience might set back the cause of single payer nationwide: "Single payer would show high costs, and would look inefficient compared to the private market...." This would be a bad argument, but the right-wing noise machine would trumpet it ceaselessly.

Most DUers know that a proper nationwide single-payer system would be much more efficient than the private market. Unfortunately, we have a ways to go to convince enough people of that to have a realistic chance of getting it through Congress.

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State single payer moving right along [View all] eridani Mar 2013 OP

How likely is this to pass? drm604 Mar 2013 #1

I'd imagine that something like this will take a lot of time to pass Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #4

When it happens, companies will FLOOD in to "create jobs".. SoCalDem Mar 2013 #54

Make it happen with Health Care for All--PA eridani Mar 2013 #6

It won't happen with our current state government. drm604 Mar 2013 #23

I think it's very likely to pass in NY State.... ReRe Mar 2013 #55

All I can say is "wow!" Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #2

But at the same time, the NY legislature is defunding programs for the disabed, so I don't Squinch Mar 2013 #47

How can we be the Greatest nation on earth, if we can't/won't even take care of our own citizens? RC Mar 2013 #3

Agreed Plucketeer Mar 2013 #25

You're not serious about that "greates nation on earth" nonsense are you? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #50

Well, we could rightfully claim that at one time RC Mar 2013 #53

What time was that, before the Europeans got here? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #59

Sounds about right. RC Mar 2013 #61

That's all you got from my post? RC Mar 2013 #62

Wow. ananda Mar 2013 #5

Check out state chapters of Physicians for a National Health Program eridani Mar 2013 #7

Well that state used to be my state of Calif. Left Coast2020 Mar 2013 #56

Wouldn't single payer in one state lead to reverse cherry-picking? Jim Lane Mar 2013 #8

Most state single payer bills have residency requirements n/t eridani Mar 2013 #9

And how difficult is that? dkf Mar 2013 #11

If you had to be a resident for two years to qualify... thesquanderer Mar 2013 #46

Not to mention which, single payer doesn't give people jobs or housing n/t eridani Mar 2013 #51

That's what I am wondering. dkf Mar 2013 #10

Of course you were Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #28

Even if they say you need to be a resident are they then going to leave these people on the side dkf Mar 2013 #30

That's exactly what's happening in Vermont right now Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #36

If they want to take that on more power to them. dkf Mar 2013 #39

But such elderly people are 100% covered by Medicare and Medicaid. happyslug Mar 2013 #44

Vermont has not yet implemented single-payer. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #49

Just speculating here, but I don't think that it would be unmanagable Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #13

Countries that actually have single-payer generally provide true emergency care only to foreigners Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #18

Exactly. Though many might be tempted to visit a "Single Payer" State for treatment... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #20

Or you could be desperate. dkf Mar 2013 #31

Yes. It might make sense for many but human nature being what it is... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #34

You'd have to qualify to be a resident The Blue Flower Mar 2013 #17

Presumably, there could be a residency requirement. But you also have to think of the size jeff47 Mar 2013 #24

Yes, that would be tragic. (Not.) eggplant Mar 2013 #42

There's no call to make your analogy to slavery. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #48

Single payer is going to happen. Our current system has been a mess, providing miniscule coverage mother earth Mar 2013 #12

Watching Dan Rather this morning, he was speaking of all of the dotymed Mar 2013 #14

Even faster, if all the army medics were trained to become nurse practitioners or physician's Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #19

Do we have a nurse shortage? dkf Mar 2013 #32

I'm talking about nurse-practitioners and PA's, who can perform routine checkups and treat minor Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #43

hooray riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #15

Gun control, fracking, single payer... bluedigger Mar 2013 #16

Very good things theKed Mar 2013 #33

Do they have a supermajority? bluedigger Mar 2013 #35

I'm not sure theKed Mar 2013 #37

And our dumb state (WI) is gutting our once great public health insurance program AllyCat Mar 2013 #21

Paying my health insurance is crushing our family business. The premiums are INSANE. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #22

This is fucking awesome! Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #26

++++++++! BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #27

I've never understood that, either. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #41

way to go NY. Here in Co. our new Democratic majority is moving gun regulation mountain grammy Mar 2013 #29

I was hopeful of this.... Wounded Bear Mar 2013 #38

How does this work with different doctors charging different rates? pnwmom Mar 2013 #40

Under global budgeting, health care providers would negotiate yearly with the eridani Mar 2013 #52

And will some doctors be able to opt out altogether, like they can with Medicaid? n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #57

Only if they don't want any patients except for those wealthy enough to opt out n/t eridani Mar 2013 #58

The Federal Court has ruled you can become a resident of a state within 30 days happyslug Mar 2013 #45

Kick for progressive change Politicub Mar 2013 #60

Kick Quantess Mar 2013 #63

Assembly Health Chair: 2013 �A Superb Year� To Pass Single-Payer Insurance eridani Mar 2013 #64