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In reply to the discussion: Here's what I would have said to Hugo Chavez, had I seen him at the last [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)40. We're naive? Too funny. Please try harder.
Are you so used to Free Republic-type fellows who swallow any swill the corporate media throws out that you think it will work here? We already know what the NYT thinks of Chavez and how complicitly delighted they were with the 2002 coup against Chavez.
We already know how they not only cheered for the Iraq war but how they deliberately fed the Bush Administrations lies to the public.
Try again please.
Another *gem* from the NYT's
Jun 01 2002
U.S. Papers Hail Venezuelan Coup as Pro-Democracy Move
When elements of the Venezuelan military forced President Hugo Chávez from office in April, the editorial boards of several major U.S. newspapers, following the U.S. government's lead, greeted the news with enthusiasm.
In an April 13 editorial, the New York Times triumphantly declared that Chávez's "resignation" meant that "Venezuelan democracy is no longer threatened by a would-be dictator." Conspicuously avoiding the word "coup," the Times explained that Chávez "stepped down after the military intervened and handed power to a respected business leader."
Calling Chávez "a ruinous demagogue," the Times offered numerous criticisms of his policies and urged speedy new elections, saying "Venezuela urgently needs a leader with a strong democratic mandate." A casual reader might easily have missed the Times' brief acknowledgement that Chávez did actually have a democratic mandate, having been "elected president in 1998."
The paper's one nod to the fact that military takeovers are not generally regarded as democratic was to note hopefully that with "continued civic participation," perhaps "further military involvement" in Venezuelan politics could be kept "to a minimum."
Three days later, Chávez had returned to power, and the Times ran a second editorial (4/16/02) half-apologizing for having gotten carried away:
The Times stood its ground, however, on the value of a timely military coup for teaching a president a lesson, saying, "We hope Mr. Chávez will act as a more responsible and moderate leader now that he seems to realize the anger he stirred."
...
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/u-s-papers-hail-venezuelan-coup-as-pro-democracy-move/
U.S. Papers Hail Venezuelan Coup as Pro-Democracy Move
When elements of the Venezuelan military forced President Hugo Chávez from office in April, the editorial boards of several major U.S. newspapers, following the U.S. government's lead, greeted the news with enthusiasm.
In an April 13 editorial, the New York Times triumphantly declared that Chávez's "resignation" meant that "Venezuelan democracy is no longer threatened by a would-be dictator." Conspicuously avoiding the word "coup," the Times explained that Chávez "stepped down after the military intervened and handed power to a respected business leader."
Calling Chávez "a ruinous demagogue," the Times offered numerous criticisms of his policies and urged speedy new elections, saying "Venezuela urgently needs a leader with a strong democratic mandate." A casual reader might easily have missed the Times' brief acknowledgement that Chávez did actually have a democratic mandate, having been "elected president in 1998."
The paper's one nod to the fact that military takeovers are not generally regarded as democratic was to note hopefully that with "continued civic participation," perhaps "further military involvement" in Venezuelan politics could be kept "to a minimum."
Three days later, Chávez had returned to power, and the Times ran a second editorial (4/16/02) half-apologizing for having gotten carried away:
"In his three years in office, Mr. Chávez has been such a divisive and demagogic leader that his forced departure last week drew applause at home and in Washington. That reaction, which we shared, overlooked the undemocratic manner in which he was removed. Forcibly unseating a democratically elected leader, no matter how badly he has performed, is never something to cheer."
The Times stood its ground, however, on the value of a timely military coup for teaching a president a lesson, saying, "We hope Mr. Chávez will act as a more responsible and moderate leader now that he seems to realize the anger he stirred."
...
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/u-s-papers-hail-venezuelan-coup-as-pro-democracy-move/
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Here's what I would have said to Hugo Chavez, had I seen him at the last [View all]
Ken Burch
Mar 2013
OP
Thanks, Catherina! I didn't see the hidden post but I can guess what it said. The
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#58
Hillarious, for anyone in this country to comment on a President of any other
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#65
There is a difference, you know. No one here thinks of our politicians as saints. In fact,
Flatulo
Mar 2013
#69
If you had actually read my OP, I started out by saying I DIDN'T think he was a saint.
Ken Burch
Mar 2013
#71
I did read your OP, and I did catch your disclaimer. My reply was to another poster, but it's
Flatulo
Mar 2013
#72
Mmm interesting expansion of the theory. At least you provide more detail for this
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#79
Lol, the old right wing 'Liberals think Hugo is a Saint' routine. Do you read
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#76
Come on, everyone in SF knows a dockworker cleans up the vomit when the party boats return
Brother Buzz
Mar 2013
#38
Care to rethink the crock you're peddling on a leftwing board populated by intelligent people?
Catherina
Mar 2013
#16
Yeah. there are some who sound like they STILL think the Bay of Pigs was a good idea, too.
Ken Burch
Mar 2013
#12
Give them a point for fair warning about the smell of the content they might produce. :)
idwiyo
Mar 2013
#62
When someone peddles propaganda, and please don't tell us that Judith Miller's NYT
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#64
Harder please, without putting words in my mouth or accusing me of a totalitarian worldview
Catherina
Mar 2013
#46
the same as smearing one's waste on the walls of one's padded room, I think. n/t.
Ken Burch
Mar 2013
#67