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dkf

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10. There are obviously economic theories on why this is so, but some food for thought:
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013
Rogoff: When we started writing our book, we thought we would find that there were financial crises in Asia, Europe, the U. S. and elsewhere. What we hadn't quite anticipated was how similar these crises would be. It just shocked us, because these areas have different legal systems and different institutions. Carmen mentioned human nature. It is almost as if these institutions and these legal systems were forms of clothing and makeup, but inside the person is the same.


And

Rogoff: And, lastly, other things, like infrastructure and education spending, are important. This isn't all about austerity versus no austerity. Countries that are successful in dealing with these crises, such as Sweden, sometimes take them as an opportunity to change. We haven't.


http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424052748703961304578128861988425802.html#articleTabs_article%3D2

This is interesting too:

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2011/2/26/4032/30282

I'm reading Reinhart's and Rogoff's This Time is Different, which is jam-packed with information about the economic history of defaults.

In it, there's a neat little box documenting the fact that no, countries don't actually grow out of debt.

To identify episodes of large debt reversals for middle- and low-income countries over the period 1970-2000, Reinhart, Rogoff, and Savastano selected all episodes in which the ratio of external debt to GNP fell 25 percentage points or more within any three-year period, then ascertained whether the decline in the ratio was caused by a decrease in the numerator, an increase in the denominator, or some combination of the two.

Of the twenty-two debt reversals detected in middle-income countries with emerging markets, fifteen coincided with some type of default or restructuring of external debt obligations. In six of the seven episodes that did not coincide with a credit event, the debt reversal was effected mainly through net debt repayments; in only one of the episodes (Swaziland, 1985) did the debt ratio decline principally because the country "grew" out of its debts! Growth was also the principal factor explaining the decline in debt ratios in three of the fifteen default or restructuring cases: those of Morocco, Panama, and the Philippines. Overall, this exercise shows that countries typically do not grow out of their debt burden, providing yet another reason to be skeptical of overly sanguine standard sustainability calculations for debt-intolerant countries.


Yes these are middle-income countries so its not apples to apples but fascinating anyway.

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Exactly. Unemployment is driving the deficit, not spending. Fewer jobs means slower economy and JaneyVee Mar 2013 #2
The OP suggests there is not a low tax rate problem, in *deficit terms* cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #7
I meant raising top tax rate for the rich to help pay down debt while investing in America & jobs. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #9
I agree with all of that except "pay down debt" cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #15
And investing in America & jobs. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #19
I agree with "investing in America & jobs" cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #22
Debt Overhangs: Past and Present dkf Mar 2013 #3
Too Much Debt Means the Economy Can’t Grow: Reinhart and Rogoff dkf Mar 2013 #4
This appears to be a confusion of correlation and causation cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #5
There are obviously economic theories on why this is so, but some food for thought: dkf Mar 2013 #10
If lenders had an inflexible 90% rule of thumb then cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #13
There seems to be two levels of impact. dkf Mar 2013 #16
You make a good point here. dkf Mar 2013 #23
I would like to see the results adjusted for *total* debt in cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #26
I've seen that type of data from them. dkf Mar 2013 #27
What I have read about their book sounds interesting cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #29
You are right that a big stimulus was needed and if we had done the dkf Mar 2013 #30
If the debt and deficits are so bad, then why won't Republicans advocate for higher taxes? Yavin4 Mar 2013 #6
I wish we could view this very analytically so that we could fix the structural problems. dkf Mar 2013 #11
In 2000, the Deficit and the Debt problems were solved or Yavin4 Mar 2013 #14
I blame Greenspan for the housing bubble. dkf Mar 2013 #18
Yes, but the bill for the internet bubble was going to be paid either way. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #20
Bush + Greenspan = recipe for disaster. dkf Mar 2013 #21
Greenspan not withstanding, It's very difficult for Americans to take discussions about the... Yavin4 Mar 2013 #25
I hear what you are saying. 99Forever Mar 2013 #8
Growth doesn't necessarily mean using resources. It could be services. dkf Mar 2013 #12
If they were reprentatives rather than "leaders" they would know. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #17
Sooner or later the debt has to be addressed, that is a fact. MadHound Mar 2013 #24
Bingo. It's primarily a lack of revenue problem. The F-35 could be considered a waste of spending. talkingmime Mar 2013 #28
I love how Krugman completely ignores debt held by the trust fund taught_me_patience Mar 2013 #31
??? (revisit what was being calculated) cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #32
The normal rate of growth, 3%-5%, will not return. former9thward Mar 2013 #33
That is possible, but if we are planning for that in one sense (deficit) then cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #34
We should but neither party will tell the truth. former9thward Mar 2013 #35
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