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In reply to the discussion: Do our leaders know that the deficit is NOT unsustainable? [View all]cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)32. ??? (revisit what was being calculated)
You are right that the total debt is closer to 16.5 Trillion than 11.5 Trillion, counting the trust fund.
But leaving the trust fund out of the debt figure is nessecary because including it would make the sustainable deficit being calculated larger.
4% of 16.5 trillion is larger than 4% of 11.5 trillion.
What would have been eye-brow raising would be if he had NOT excluded the trust fund, which is a genuine fiscal concern but not something that adds or subtracts from the annual deficit.
How does this compare with the deficit consistent with fiscal sustainability? Well, theres about $11.5 trillion in federal debt in the hands of the public. A reasonable, indeed fairly conservative guess is that nominal GDP will in future grow by 4 percent per year, half from real growth and half from inflation. This means that the sustainable deficit is 4 percent of $11.5 trillion, or $460 billion. Hey, were there!
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"The only reason the deficit is unsustainable today is because of efforts to fight the deficit. "
abelenkpe
Mar 2013
#1
Exactly. Unemployment is driving the deficit, not spending. Fewer jobs means slower economy and
JaneyVee
Mar 2013
#2
I meant raising top tax rate for the rich to help pay down debt while investing in America & jobs.
JaneyVee
Mar 2013
#9
There are obviously economic theories on why this is so, but some food for thought:
dkf
Mar 2013
#10
If the debt and deficits are so bad, then why won't Republicans advocate for higher taxes?
Yavin4
Mar 2013
#6
I wish we could view this very analytically so that we could fix the structural problems.
dkf
Mar 2013
#11
Greenspan not withstanding, It's very difficult for Americans to take discussions about the...
Yavin4
Mar 2013
#25
Bingo. It's primarily a lack of revenue problem. The F-35 could be considered a waste of spending.
talkingmime
Mar 2013
#28
That is possible, but if we are planning for that in one sense (deficit) then
cthulu2016
Mar 2013
#34