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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths" [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)68. Do you
"Just read Greenwald's piece And while I think his praise of Paul is somewhat misplaced, I agree with pretty much everything else he said. So with that you can twist me into a Rand Paul supporter, lover, BFF... whatever your little heart desires."
...agree with this, Greenwald:
(2) Whether domestic assassinations are imminent is irrelevant to the debate
The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.
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The primary means of mocking Paul's concerns was to deride the notion that Obama is about to unleash drone attacks and death squads on US soil aimed at Americans. But nobody, including Paul, suggested that was the case. To focus on that attack is an absurd strawman, a deliberate distraction from the real issues, a total irrelevancy...First, the reason this question matters so much - can the President target US citizens for assassination without due process on US soil? - is because it demonstrates just how radical the Obama administration's theories of executive power are. Once you embrace the premises of everything they do in this area - we are a Nation at War; the entire globe is the battlefield; the president is vested with the unchecked power to use force against anyone he accuses of involvement with Terrorism - then there is no cogent, coherent way to say that the president lacks the power to assassinate even US citizens on US soil. That conclusion is the necessary, logical outcome of the premises that have been embraced. That's why it is so vital to ask that.
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You should know that it's complete bullshit. Paul:
The President is advocating a drone strike program in America. All we have to compare it with is the drone strike program overseas.
http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120
http://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/status/309465276863365120
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Glenn Greenwald is interning for a position as lap dog to the "citizens of the archipelagos".
patrice
Mar 2013
#11
"Glenn Greenwald is a consistent principled progressive..." Thanks, DesMoinesDem....
truth2power
Mar 2013
#20
Wrong: he's a dogmatic libertarian, and that's not always coterminous with "progressive"
frazzled
Mar 2013
#21
How many are okay with targeted killings but were outraged by warrantless wiretaps?
LittleBlue
Mar 2013
#23
Rand paul is a libertarian douche, but he still has legitimate concerns about drones
NoMoreWarNow
Mar 2013
#31
You're quoting my post from this very thread like it's some long lost, damning evidence.
Marr
Mar 2013
#79
Wyden's efforts for Congressional oversight seem appropriate to me. But, of course,
struggle4progress
Mar 2013
#81