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Eleanors38

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32. Strange blend of views among pro/anti-gun people, here...

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 05:42 PM

Mar 2013

I am suspicious about the need for and effectiveness of a homeland security force or department. That said, I don't see too much evidence as yet these ammo orders are precursors of authoritarian crackdowns. Even individuals purchase a lot of practice ammo (for the range), and some hollowpoints for actual SD or duty use as the latter have superior "stopping power" if needed. Even the OP's source says "some" of the rounds are hollopoints.

If things start going authoritarian, look for executive orders, decrees, and citizen detention. Could happen, but the ammo purchases are not convincing.

Note also the huge runs of civilian purchases. Any LEO is smart to get ahead of the game.

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Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo [View all] Coyotl Mar 2013 OP

Are they planning for a rebellion in the US? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #1

Sounds like they intend to maintain proficiency. X_Digger Mar 2013 #10

that is true... but indie9197 Mar 2013 #36

You want to practice with the rounds you intend to use in real life. X_Digger Mar 2013 #39

Good in theory guardian Mar 2013 #62

I'd imagine at those economies of scale, the difference in cost is less. X_Digger Mar 2013 #66

You know what they say guardian Mar 2013 #68

My impression is accuracy is much over-rated compared to probability of a hit HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #42

You are vastly overestimating the rounds used in training. former9thward Mar 2013 #56

Ehn, remember this is a 5 year purchase X_Digger Mar 2013 #61

I live in a university city/town. former9thward Mar 2013 #64

I would prefer they actually maintain proficiency. X_Digger Mar 2013 #65

Politico: Feds, media rebut Sarah Palin 'stockpiling bullets' claim pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #12

Wait, what? Sarah Palin is wrong? Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #22

When you add the plutocracy which actually owns and runs this country... Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #17

So you agree with Sarah Palin and Alex Jones's thesis then. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #47

Apparently, "the home of the brave" is scared. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #2

This was a rightie conspiracy theory started by Alex Jones. rdharma Mar 2013 #3

Not to defend Alex Jones, but...has the government ever lied to us? Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #19

"has the government ever lied to us?" rdharma Mar 2013 #27

Yes, and so have far right conspiracy theorists jberryhill Mar 2013 #28

yes, the government has lied, so have your parents, snooper2 Mar 2013 #48

No conspiracy just waste because they can. former9thward Mar 2013 #57

Does this include the 500 Million rounds Bennyboy Mar 2013 #4

DHS Organizational Chart rdharma Mar 2013 #5

This is all going to the training center in New Mexico ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #43

Five rounds for each resident should be sufficient to get the job indepat Mar 2013 #6

forbes is really about as bad as glen beck veganlush Mar 2013 #7

Perhaps you should read the actual solicitation ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #44

what knowledge do you have to refute the OP? guardian Mar 2013 #63

You practice with the rounds you use. X_Digger Mar 2013 #8

For the Coast Guard, Secret Service, Border Patrol, TSA, ICE would be my guess. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #9

My guess too. rdharma Mar 2013 #15

Yep. Not to mention the firing ranges all over the country DevonRex Mar 2013 #26

The Alex Jones Conspiracy du jour sharp_stick Mar 2013 #11

Forbes? Remmah2 Mar 2013 #13

Who'd of thunk. rdharma Mar 2013 #16

What so bad about publishing informnation on what the government purchases? Remmah2 Mar 2013 #40

It's been published sharp_stick Mar 2013 #55

How does an Alex Jones conspiracy manifest itself on the ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #53

Alex Jones sharp_stick Mar 2013 #54

Maybe some people are confusing Mother Jones with Alex Jones. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #58

I've only seen sharp_stick Mar 2013 #59

But guns are only made for killing. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #14

They are worried all the Tbaggers arming up might try a coup or something. Hoyt Mar 2013 #31

Chicken Coup? Remmah2 Mar 2013 #41

All you have to do is read a bit of the gun cultists' posts in the Gungeon to get a good idea. Hoyt Mar 2013 #52

I dunno, why does one citizen need 5000 bullets? Rex Mar 2013 #18

The associated companies are raking in millions of dollars, taxpayer dollars. n/t Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #20

Yes from both sides. Rex Mar 2013 #21

Perhaps; I'm an Occupier and I fear the government and I'm certainly not raking it in ;) Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #24

Hehe Rex Mar 2013 #29

Perhaps they should instead invest the money in the legal immigration system... tarheelsunc Mar 2013 #23

This story is a lie jberryhill Mar 2013 #25

No no no...fear Big Brother Bullets! Rex Mar 2013 #30

Don't you love it when people bring bullshit Alex Jones bullshit here? DevonRex Mar 2013 #34

I like the ones who say, "Who is Alex Jones?" jberryhill Mar 2013 #35

I was reading a good article earlier today... SidDithers Mar 2013 #38

Funny, an Alex Jones CT would get locked in CS. Rex Mar 2013 #71

I don't even bother alerting on conspiracy theory bullshit in GD anymore.... SidDithers Mar 2013 #73

You have the wrong solicitation ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #45

...which says 240,000 rounds jberryhill Mar 2013 #51

That is one of the oddities... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #75

Strange blend of views among pro/anti-gun people, here... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #32

There are several odd parts of the solicitation ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #46

hoax. veganlush Mar 2013 #69

Have you read the actual solicitation docs? ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #74

Hoax. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #33

Zombie Hoax Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2013 #72

Heh! The gun-nutters must be freaking out about now. "OMG!! Obama... madinmaryland Mar 2013 #37

Notice how quickly the extreme paranoids on the left geek tragedy Mar 2013 #49

Paranoia, the great political equalizer n/t sharp_stick Mar 2013 #60

The Homeland Security Investigations Office needs those bullets Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #50

The gun industry should be thanking Obama. Initech Mar 2013 #67

this is not the actual Forbes...it is a blog hosted on the Forbes site Godhumor Mar 2013 #70