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119. Now that REALLY wasn't necessary.

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Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:39 PM

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Why Burning the Flag Matters [View all] MineralMan Jan 2012 OP

Why I think this is more important than a piece of cloth. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #1

Which of the people in my photos MineralMan Jan 2012 #5

That has nothing to do with the fact that the US Constitution protects this, even though you may not LaydeeBug Jan 2012 #8

Of course the Constitution protects it. MineralMan Jan 2012 #20

It is ALWAYS a good idea to protect the US Constitution. Yes. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2012 #88

Yes, it is. Right now, I'm exercising my First Amendment rights. MineralMan Jan 2012 #89

Oh, I don't mind at all...you don't mind MY exercising the same right? Right? LaydeeBug Feb 2012 #133

could you point me to where in the US Constitution it says that you can burn somebody elses flag? nt Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #106

Could you please point out to me where it is someone ELSE'S flag we're talking about? LaydeeBug Feb 2012 #132

And the people who protect the constitution Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Aug 2012 #138

The US constitution protects lots of things metalbot Jan 2012 #116

People can burn the flag for a LOT of reasons...especially, retiring it, calling for distress, etc LaydeeBug Feb 2012 #134

Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #12

Actually, the words you used to write that post are just symbols... renie408 Jan 2012 #35

It isn't necessary to reject symbols to be honest about what they truly are and HOW they work. patrice Jan 2012 #60

It's a symbol of our Country, right or wrong. nt demosincebirth Jan 2012 #2

Symbols are not the same thing as that which they represent, e.g. 2 is not the same thing as I I or patrice Jan 2012 #44

Semantics. demosincebirth Jan 2012 #71

Uh . . . anything to do with ANY kinds of words IS semantics. Is your reference to this negative? patrice Jan 2012 #73

There is a related term "semiotics" that has to do with the meaning of symbols. patrice Jan 2012 #75

Couldn't disagree more. It's just fabric, so long as one is burning one's own flag, doesn't matter. Lionessa Jan 2012 #3

Right on, Lioness, you LIVE it. That doing does not require a symbol. It IS the embodiment of truth. patrice Jan 2012 #46

If you honor what the Flag represents, you must accept that some will wish to destroy it. baldguy Jan 2012 #4

Yes, of course. It is our right to burn the flag. MineralMan Jan 2012 #7

Sorry, how is the guy who burned the flag in Oakland *NOT* part of the 99%? baldguy Jan 2012 #19

I did not say he wasn't. I'm sure he is. MineralMan Jan 2012 #26

If they think a bit of cloth is more important than the future of America, then no. baldguy Jan 2012 #37

This reminds me of the constant brainwashing I received as a kid Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #6

Look at the people in the photos. Which are not part of the 99%, do you think? MineralMan Jan 2012 #10

so are you going to tell us why it matters? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #9

Sure. All of the people in those photos, and even the MineralMan Jan 2012 #14

It's a good start, but you're omitting details. Back when you were a bigwig at Free Republic, DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #29

MineralMan was a bigwig at Free Republic? Kaleko Jan 2012 #68

I think he's genuinely a Democrat DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #74

Nope. A lifelong Democrat and progressive. MineralMan Jan 2012 #79

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #111

I was never anything at Free Republic but someone MineralMan Jan 2012 #78

were you, or weren't you registered at FreeRepublic as MineralMan? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #93

What does that matter to you? Yes, I was a member there, using the same name I use on MineralMan Jan 2012 #96

Kudos. randome Jan 2012 #100

Rugh Ro. You supported bushitler over there for whatever reason? lonestarnot Jan 2012 #113

Leave him alone... ellisonz Jan 2012 #117

What does it matter to me? Where shall I begin? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #118

Wow, supporting the Swift Boaters?? sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #123

Not just supporting the Swift Boaters years ago, Kaleko Feb 2012 #129

From your journal... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #139

Yes, I apologized for that. My apology was sincere. MineralMan Sep 2012 #140

+1 Enrique Jan 2012 #15

A lot of people you don't know are standing up for some reason gratuitous Jan 2012 #16

I knew I should have taken more Latin. ;) n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #30

I still think it was a staged infiltration. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #11

Extremely probable. There is authentic hatred for the Occupy. patrice Jan 2012 #38

A couple of things in particular make it distinctive... HopeHoops Jan 2012 #45

We had some crap wearing masks go down in our Occupy. POWER tripping stupid stuff. patrice Jan 2012 #48

If you'll notice, the people getting pepper sprayed and arrested don't wear masks. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #49

I haven't been big on masks from the start. You want to deal with me? Face to face is the way I do patrice Jan 2012 #55

Okay, you obviously typed that quickly. Bullshit on me or bullshit on the flag burning? HopeHoops Jan 2012 #57

SORRY!! Bullshit on masks. patrice Jan 2012 #63

Okay, well the Guy Fawkes mask I can understand. Bandanas, no. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #64

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #13

Nice. Now, which of the people in the photos I posted are not MineralMan Jan 2012 #17

Are the people in the photos all of the 99%? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #21

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Nice thread MineralMan NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #21

Yeah.. respect the flag... SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #21

Missed the obvious one. baldguy Jan 2012 #42

Snort ROFLMAO lonestarnot Jan 2012 #114

Now that REALLY wasn't necessary. stevenleser Jan 2012 #119

What you have are pictures of Nationalism. RC Jan 2012 #21

You think Nationalism is the reason I saved the flag that was draped over my late fathers casket? NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #28

Huh? RC Jan 2012 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #25

I must have missed the mass flag burnings lately Stuckinthebush Jan 2012 #27

I'm sorry... TlalocW Jan 2012 #31

Apparently some occupiers,or people pretending to be occupiers, broke into city hall & burned a flag stevenleser Jan 2012 #120

Allowing one's self to be oppressed by one's symbols, whether your symbol is pro- or anti- burning, patrice Jan 2012 #32

This seems to explain in a funny way why burning the flag is such a bad PR move. redqueen Jan 2012 #33

Awesome. I hadn't seen that before. Thanks for sharing. nt Electric Monk Jan 2012 #47

Ewwwwwwww. Bonobo Jan 2012 #34

So no country should burn any flag nor ANYTHING that SOMEONE holds sacred. Bonobo Jan 2012 #36

The First Amendment gives you the right to burn a flag, not steal one. renie408 Jan 2012 #39

Wow, putting a symbol ahead of the values and ideas that it stands for. MadHound Jan 2012 #40

Burning the flag is speech. Who is the audience? What is the flag burner saying to them? FarCenter Jan 2012 #41

What did it accomplish? riverwalker Jan 2012 #50

Precisely! patrice Jan 2012 #70

Clue: Burning is the legally prescribed method for disposing of a flag ... TahitiNut Jan 2012 #51

It could be argued that the Flag from Oakland City Hall was desecrated by Mayor Quan baldguy Jan 2012 #53

Bingo. TahitiNut Jan 2012 #109

Well MineralMan, at least you tried kctim Jan 2012 #52

Tell us why it matters............. Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #54

Because the children pledge allegiance to it Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #58

And just how fucked up is it to force children to pledge their allegiance to a flag! Bonobo Jan 2012 #67

You really are just totally immune to sarcasm, aren't you? n/t renie408 Jan 2012 #92

No, I got that that was sarcasm, thank you. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #95

yes, it's an important symbol. But part of the problem w/ the human animal is our difficulty Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #56

Dr. Chomsky, is that you? patrice Jan 2012 #72

Yes Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #81

Holy shit, this! drokhole Jan 2012 #86

Wilson got me into Korzybski, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #91

And you articulated it brilliantly. drokhole Jan 2012 #94

Exactly why it matters. And why burning it should always be protected. morningfog Jan 2012 #59

That's why I don't burn flags. KamaAina Jan 2012 #61

America Love it or Leave it syndrome, flag division. More idolatry on display nt msongs Jan 2012 #62

The bigger point: Those that burned the flag do not represent the majority of OWS justiceischeap Jan 2012 #65

Emotional poppycock whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #66

Depending on the phrasing I may or may not agree cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #69

J-I-N-G-O Jingo! REP Jan 2012 #76

Thank you DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #77

Great post. marmar Jan 2012 #80

Agree deutsey Jan 2012 #112

Nobody is dishonoring them by burning the flag...... marmar Jan 2012 #82

think I'm gonna go home and burn a flag or two tonight.... mike_c Jan 2012 #83

The flag is a symbol period. I leave symbols to the symbol-minded (george carlin) rustydog Jan 2012 #85

When the symbol becomes more important than the thing it's symbolising... sibelian Jan 2012 #87

I agree. I posted this in another thread and found it dana_b Jan 2012 #102

It is fitting and proper to dispose of a flag using fire. That is the way it is done. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #90

Our neighbor has a terribly weatherbeaten old flag hanging over his front porch. It needs to be Skwid Jan 2012 #110

You're right. Social movements need to consider the sensibilities of others, ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #97

It depends on what their goals are, really. MineralMan Jan 2012 #98

I hope you succeed. Republicans are lame. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #99

Spin. Spinning. Spinnerific! nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #101

The only spinning I do is fishing. MineralMan Jan 2012 #105

Don't be so modest. Bonobo Jan 2012 #108

You noticed that too. Puglover Feb 2012 #128

Civil disobedience is rarely pragmatic, you're arguing for them to "be pragmatic" and somehow... joshcryer Jan 2012 #107

Awwww how cute! Are there puppies??? Taverner Jan 2012 #103

This is really why not owning the flag burning matters. joshcryer Jan 2012 #104

My dad, a WWII vet, said that he fought for people to have the right to burn the flag if they.... Logical Jan 2012 #115

"Shit on the Constitution, just don't burn my flag!" Bonobo Jan 2012 #121

It's amazing how many of you missed MineralMan's point and created all kinds of strawmen stevenleser Jan 2012 #122

No, the larger point is people can be manipulated by images, including the ones in the OP. EFerrari Feb 2012 #126

What's really amazing is how you could have missed Kaleko Feb 2012 #127

What I saw in those pictures was flag fetishism and blind devotion Taverner Feb 2012 #130

Hey, but you're supposed to be brow-beaten Kaleko Feb 2012 #131

: ) T S Justly Feb 2012 #124

Oh please. donheld Feb 2012 #125

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