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In reply to the discussion: *It's not about Rand Paul!* [View all]Therefore your position cannot be a principled one, since his bill (as quoted by you) states pretty much the same rules as are claimed by the Obama administration: namely, that the President can order the assassination of a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil if he decides that citizen is "engaged in combat".
Or maybe you can clarify the difference between the position claimed in Holder's memo (the one where you say "No means No", while ignoring the carefully crafted qualifying clause "not engaged in combat"
, and the "key language" that you quoted in Rand Paul's bill.
Or maybe you can clarify the difference between the position claimed in Holder's memo (the one where you say "No means No", while ignoring the carefully crafted qualifying clause "not engaged in combat"
...Paul's bill isn't "much the same rules as are claimed by the Obama administration." Still, you're accusing someone of not having a "principled" position by arguing that Paul's bill is the same as Obama's, but it's OK to validate such a bill because there's no difference between the two?
OK, so what the hell would be the critics' point? I'm not accusing the Obama administration of hypocrisy. Holder answered Paul's bullshit hypothetical, and the answer is "no."
I am accusing Paul of demagoguery and hypocrisy. Paul's bill opens Pandora's Box, and now he has people buying into that.
GOP Senators Introduce Pointless Drone Bill
By Adam Serwer
Not wanting to take Attorney General Eric Holder's word for it that the US government won't be sending deadly flying robots to kill its own citizens on American soil, Senators Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) have introduced a bill that would "prohibit drone killings of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil if they do not represent an imminent threat."
The bill all but disarms the US government, leaving it with few options for lethal force against citizens other than guns, tanks, helicopters, snipers, paramilitary squads, bombs, tasers and blunt force.
Unless you're not in the United States, or you're an "imminent threat." In that case, the government can drone away.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/gop-senators-introduce-bill-banning-domestic-drone-assassinations
By Adam Serwer
Not wanting to take Attorney General Eric Holder's word for it that the US government won't be sending deadly flying robots to kill its own citizens on American soil, Senators Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) have introduced a bill that would "prohibit drone killings of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil if they do not represent an imminent threat."
The bill all but disarms the US government, leaving it with few options for lethal force against citizens other than guns, tanks, helicopters, snipers, paramilitary squads, bombs, tasers and blunt force.
Unless you're not in the United States, or you're an "imminent threat." In that case, the government can drone away.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/gop-senators-introduce-bill-banning-domestic-drone-assassinations
Use of drones to kill Americans not OK "if they do not represent an imminent threat."
Killing Americans who don't pose an "imminent threat" OK if the weapons of choice are "guns, tanks, helicopters, snipers, paramilitary squads, bombs, tasers and blunt force."
Use of drones to kill anyone outside the United States OK.
Unfortunately, people are now focused on Paul and his proposal. After all the hype they will believe it's the solution.
Should the Senate pass the Cruz, Paul drone bill?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022480661
Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711
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Yes, it is about Ron & Rand Paul and his BFF David Duke & his John Birch Society backing.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#3
You won't be able to ride this latest wave of Greenwald/Paul derangement much longer
whatchamacallit
Mar 2013
#5
Any Democratic Senator who wants to undermine Rand Paul can step us and oppose Obama's drone policy.
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#32
So the best that you have is a straw-man argument while relying upon ad hominem fallacy?
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#47
Thanks for posting this... I had not seen this:"If you happen to be the son of a bad person, is that
midnight
Mar 2013
#51
I never once had concerns that Obama would drone us. Or shoot us, or bayonet us, etc.
TwilightGardener
Mar 2013
#6
I agree re: Obama, but fear potential others, both now since it doesn't say it must be Obama
Lionessa
Mar 2013
#10
Why is this an issue now? I was never in a panic that any President would do this.
TwilightGardener
Mar 2013
#13
Right, because before drones, there was no way an evil President could kill people
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#31
You realize your only response was in the form of a logical fallacy, right?
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#63
Here is some help, read about the guilt by association fallacy in this link
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#64
Your assertions were fallacious. I'm sorry you are having problems accepting that.
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#67
No one needs to be concerned about the use of physical force against those who wish to speak up?
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#35
Police brutality and oppression of peaceful protest are a concern, but not quite in the same league
TwilightGardener
Mar 2013
#39
Stories of Police overseeing OWS were doing just that... Plotting Assinations....
midnight
Mar 2013
#55
It is always about who and not what with some, it is their entire measure.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2013
#41
Where was Sen Warren? She was spending her time trying to actually do something about the banksters
AnotherMcIntosh
Mar 2013
#49
I agree we need others besides Rand Paul.. But Paul Wellstone warned us that their are those in
midnight
Mar 2013
#48