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LWolf

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45. I don't have to do a damned thing.

Reply to mountain grammy (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:25 AM

Mar 2013

No disrespect intended, mountain grammy. I'm also a grandma, and my years tell me something different.

First of all, I don't see anything to be proud of in the modern, 21st century Democratic Party, which is eagerly participating in dismantling everything the Democratic Party has to be proud of.

Secondly, I'm not sure how "liberal" anyone is; that term has been misused and abused so much, as has "progressive," and even "left," that I'm not really sure how to categorize myself. For the purposes of your post, I'll say that, while I'm a registered Democrat, because Democrats have, over my lifetime, been better than the Republican alternatives, I'm not partisan. I support the party or individual D politicians when they are right, I don't when they are not. Politically, I'm about issues, not party or personality. That means that I'm not going to stand behind a politician I think is doing harm, no matter what party he or she is affiliated with. I'm not a cheerleader, and I don't view politics as a sport.

The alternatives? They aren't unthinkable. While the idea of putting a Republican of any kind in the WH is horrifying, I don't know that it would be worse. At least we'd then have a strong, vibrant Democratic opposition to harmful policies, instead of a bunch of fuckwads supporting bad policy because it comes from a D admin. What I really want is to break the two-party vice grip and let some others who have better ideas, and more integrity, onto the field. That's something I think is worth working for.

Finally, I agree with what you about fighting to bring our party and country back to the left. I'm willing to fight with everything I've got for the years I've got left. I'm a young grandma, so I should have plenty of years left, yet I feel so powerless and hopeless in the face of the Democratic Party's abandonment of teachers, public education, labor, social security...I don't see any hope for the years I've got left.

My way of fighting is different than yours. It's not about party, but about issues.

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I believe I'm as liberal as anyone on DU, but I'm concerned. [View all] mountain grammy Mar 2013 OP

With age comes wisdom, grammy. Not all (in fact damn few) on this board marybourg Mar 2013 #1

I'll never forget the horror I felt when Nixon was elected mountain grammy Mar 2013 #18

Tis true. Every word. pkdu Mar 2013 #2

Yes, the alternative is unthinkable! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #19

No. Obama got elected by implying he was more liberal than he has actually turned out to be. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #3

does the phrase "my policies are like those of moderate republicans" ring a bell? nt msongs Mar 2013 #5

no, it doesn't. because it wasn't a theme that was important in his campaign. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #9

He sure didn't when I saw him in Woodbridge, VA. He sounded like a real liberal to me. MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #11

+1,000,000 BlueStreak Mar 2013 #6

Every day, in every way, that's our challenge. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #42

Thing is, he didn't promise NOT to do those things. Of course, I don't agree, mountain grammy Mar 2013 #20

why am i supposed to tell you what your alternative was? you know as well as i do. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22

Sorry, rhetorical question, of course I knew what the alternative was. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #40

Obama is playing the cards he was dealt. We can criticize how much of a gambler BlueStreak Mar 2013 #48

there are many ways to play the cards he was dealt. he's decided to play them by droning, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #61

If he saw those as compromises, he hasn't gotten much in return for those compromises. Therefore BlueStreak Mar 2013 #63

We're going to have to be content with social progress Warpy Mar 2013 #4

I think so too, and maybe not even then. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #21

"a crooked financial structure that is killing us" marions ghost Mar 2013 #34

Granny Hekate gives a hearty KnR to Mountain Grammy Hekate Mar 2013 #7

Agreed. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #29

The country is more liberal than you think magellan Mar 2013 #8

Yes, they are, but so many don't know it or don't want to admit it. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #23

If America is so liberal demwing Mar 2013 #30

Because the amounts that we pay officials as salaries (and pensions if they stay around) cannot AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #10

Such language DemocratsForProgress Mar 2013 #13

Then you are truly in the wrong place....You do realize this is a Democratic website, right? Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #15

Sounds sensible but is built on a foundation of sand. We are losing ground and dangerously fast. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #12

"We are losing what we have, not gaining ground." = Exactly. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24

It has to start with making the word "liberal" acceptable again. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #25

I guess we're just not good at marketing! Loge23 Mar 2013 #31

great post. n/t. okieinpain Mar 2013 #43

I don't know how long it will take either, but someday! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #53

Kleptocracy marions ghost Mar 2013 #59

Not as bad. Politics as usual. Working within the system isn't working. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #14

Wise words from our Founders, but they didn't always live up to their wisdom. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #28

I'm with you Grammy olddots Mar 2013 #16

True, thanks! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #26

we didn't get stomped in 1968 hfojvt Mar 2013 #17

I don't think Obama's a "backstabbing weasel." He's just a moderate mountain grammy Mar 2013 #27

No, a lot of people assumed Obama was a liberal NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #32

He's not moderate, he's a profit-before-people conservative. And he won because the republicans Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #35

He's not a moderate. A moderate, for example, would follow the law and prosecute openly admitted AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #77

No, we're not. What liberals are, are the victims of a very effective PR campaign to sully Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #33

But voters aren't voting liberal and that's a problem. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #37

Voters aren't voting liberal because they have no liberals to vote for. Alan Grayson was voted for Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #41

I'd believe that was true if I hadn't seen co many good liberals go down in defeat mountain grammy Mar 2013 #50

Name three. Liberals usually lose Democratic primaries because Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #55

Andrew Romanoff lost the senate primary to Michael Bennet mountain grammy Mar 2013 #57

And who did President Obama and the DNC back? That's exactly my point. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #58

So Jimmy Carter couldn't bring "liberals back to the polls?" mountain grammy Mar 2013 #67

The liberals didn't vote, look at the numbers. Sure, those that did voted for Carter, but the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #68

Traveling, no time to answer. Safe at home. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #74

Hope your trip was good. we'll talk later. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #78

What? Lose interest, or just not interested in actual history? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #64

actually the government is okieinpain Mar 2013 #44

Republicans are right-wing, the Democrats are moderate. There is no left-wing party. davidn3600 Mar 2013 #39

That's exactly right (except it's almost all of Congress that are millionaires), and the reason Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #49

a concerted PR campaign that comes from the very top: datasuspect Mar 2013 #70

Yes they do, or they never knew. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #73

No matters the lies spewed by limpballs daily and the rw press always against us libtodeath Mar 2013 #36

You're right, we just have to convince people to vote accordingly. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #38

not if you put liberal or socialist in okieinpain Mar 2013 #46

I don't have to do a damned thing. LWolf Mar 2013 #45

I'm fighting too, LWolf, but I do think the Democratic party is, right now, the only way. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #52

when and if he does cut it, it will be too damn late. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #62

I'm not waiting for any more destruction. LWolf Mar 2013 #66

I'm a liberal and I will never stand behind any so-called "Democrat" who cuts SS or Medicare. forestpath Mar 2013 #47

+1. Any Dem who wants to do that can go straight to hell, as far as I'm concerned. n/t winter is coming Mar 2013 #75

From my experience ann--- Mar 2013 #51

I find your post confusing Marrah_G Mar 2013 #54

Exactly marions ghost Mar 2013 #56

That's because it's based upon a false dichotomy zipplewrath Mar 2013 #60

The center is shifting left Politicub Mar 2013 #65

Wisdom does come with age Oilwellian Mar 2013 #69

You have to do what you've got to do Politicub Mar 2013 #72

Redistricting seems to be the biggest obstacle. Bradical79 Mar 2013 #71

Correct, it's the local elections that truly matter Freddie Mar 2013 #79