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stevenleser

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43. I resent your use of bogeyman terms. You named only two people in your OP.

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:23 AM

Mar 2013

If that is all there is, there is nothing to worry about. Two people alone cannot pass laws in this country.

When I rail against PNAC, I name the individuals who I am talking about.

The other point is, do the people you name self-identify as "Third Way"? Have they ever? If not, why are you calling them that? I do not believe Obama has ever self identified as Third Way or DLC or any of the other bogeyman terms people like to toss about.

At least with PNAC, the individuals specifically joined that group. They cosigned letters and other documentation with the letterhead listed as "Project for a New American Century". They chose to be identified with that association.

If you need to use bogeyman terms, particularly ones where the people involved do not self-identify as such, your argument is probably weak.

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Third Way has been trying to privatize Social Security since 1990s. This is not playing chess. [View all] madfloridian Mar 2013 OP

Appointing Simpson and Bowles was war, not chess. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #1

+1 n/t ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #107

Nah, it was chess... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #123

+100000 woo me with science Mar 2013 #133

Everything is going well according to plan. jsr Mar 2013 #2

Yep duffyduff Mar 2013 #3

I don't like being told "but the Democrats do it, too". madfloridian Mar 2013 #4

It's worse when "Democrats" do it duffyduff Mar 2013 #5

+100 Many here agree with what you said. RC Mar 2013 #81

I think that is the hardest thing to persuade people of, plus the hardest thing to accept duffyduff Mar 2013 #84

"Third Way," also known as the "New Democrats." They're GOP-lite all the way. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #6

aka DLC bbgrunt Mar 2013 #12

I have lived in the DC metro area since I was in the 4th grade of elementary school Samantha Mar 2013 #7

The party has been infiltrated by neoliberals who are little more than gangsters duffyduff Mar 2013 #8

I have to agree Samantha Mar 2013 #9

Little more than gangsters? No, they're republicans too weak to make it their own party. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #22

They're gangsters. It's all about robbing the public treasury for private profit. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #87

I can accept that premise as well. But living in a city that was run by actual gangsters, I have to Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #114

Well said. madfloridian Mar 2013 #10

I think the problem is there's so much damage being inflicted magellan Mar 2013 #11

kabuki theater at its finest. bbgrunt Mar 2013 #13

Hear! Hear! ReRe Mar 2013 #25

indeed, they're attacking on all fronts. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #31

Shock Doctrine, state by state. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #45

Well stated. Seems intentional. Sometimes I think the social wedge issues GoneFishin Mar 2013 #117

Do you remember this excerpt from Milton Mayer's book? madfloridian Mar 2013 #124

You are absolutely correct in saying whathehell Mar 2013 #59

Good post and you are absolutely correct. They are hit men and now they sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #97

I am glad to see you share my views on this Samantha Mar 2013 #108

Obama's Third Way crew sure is destroying our public education system. (nt) w4rma Mar 2013 #14

Yes, they are. madfloridian Mar 2013 #16

Cockroaches hate daylight. It's obvious. jsr Mar 2013 #18

YES. LWolf Mar 2013 #36

This amounts to a plan to execute old people without a lot of money n/t eridani Mar 2013 #15

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #17

The big question is which is more powerful? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #19

huh? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #32

The DLC simply morphed into the Third Way. madfloridian Mar 2013 #39

Obama's liberal base was snookered Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #52

Gotta laugh or you'd have to cry. hay rick Mar 2013 #71

I voted for Kucinich in the primary.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #93

The mainstream Dems dissed him in every Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #98

The "Third Way" guys are wimps terrified of being beaten up by Conservative Media... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #94

The DLC is an enemy... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #20

Blind Pragmatism is the enemy. It's only care is to do the doable & compromise makes more doable HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #38

Social Security is not going to be privatized ProSense Mar 2013 #21

Why did Obama lecture them today? madfloridian Mar 2013 #23

I don't know, but ProSense Mar 2013 #24

Actually 2005 is connected to today. madfloridian Mar 2013 #37

Well, ProSense Mar 2013 #50

not this term, no. just moved closer to that end goal. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #33

Exactly! n/t markpkessinger Mar 2013 #35

+100000000000. Anyone who trusts what a politician says on this issue just because s/he HiPointDem Mar 2013 #26

Of course RudynJack Mar 2013 #27

Nobody here has absolved Republicans of anything . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #30

+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #34

DLC simply changed their name. Policies the same in Third Way. madfloridian Mar 2013 #42

K&E Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 #28

^ Wilms Mar 2013 #29

R Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 #125

Name who you are talking about. Let's stop using bogeyman terms. Which elected officials are stevenleser Mar 2013 #40

I am NOT using "bogeyman" terms. I am quite clear. madfloridian Mar 2013 #41

I resent your use of bogeyman terms. You named only two people in your OP. stevenleser Mar 2013 #43

I resent your defense of cutting Social Security. madfloridian Mar 2013 #46

That is a straw man. I never defended cutting Social Security. Moreover... stevenleser Mar 2013 #47

Stop your generalizations. "Straw man" "bogeyman" madfloridian Mar 2013 #49

Stop using logical fallacies and generalizations and then you won't be accused of doing it. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #53

Then let the Democrats prove me wrong. They need to go on TV or write op eds... madfloridian Mar 2013 #56

Like whom? Again, same issue. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #61

Cato Institute, Leninist strategy FogerRox Mar 2013 #116

+MILLION The OP placer loses me at saying "third way". graham4anything Mar 2013 #51

If you have a strong argument, you don't need bogeyman terms. It's that simple. stevenleser Mar 2013 #55

Being in denial on purpose and attacking those who are being honest... madfloridian Mar 2013 #57

Then I think you should stop doing that. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #60

Protest voters against the democratic party have allowed the teaparty to take office graham4anything Mar 2013 #62

I have always voted and supported Democrats. madfloridian Mar 2013 #64

Now be honest, if they said anyone 50 and over will be grandfathered in graham4anything Mar 2013 #66

It's a strawman to suggest that anyone here would not support Democrats. The discussion is about rhett o rick Mar 2013 #99

The DLC is strong in this thread bobduca Mar 2013 #77

Wait a minute please -- the "Third Way" nomenclature was openly discussed in Clinton's autobiography Samantha Mar 2013 #134

Remember when Tony Blair and the Clintons formed the Third Way concept? madfloridian Mar 2013 #136

I didn't really remember that but your link was interesting, particularly this: Samantha Mar 2013 #138

It can't be more obvious... Oilwellian Mar 2013 #48

It's not obvious. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #54

Can you post a link and point to the obvious? I've seen no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #102

Its just another edition of the recurring soap opera ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #74

you didnt even read the op. bobduca Mar 2013 #79

I read the OP, and responded to a specifc post in the thread. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #82

Yeah my post count is low & rofl-worthy bobduca Mar 2013 #83

Your comment was what was rofl-worthy. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #86

Yeah people here shouldnt be upset about anything bobduca Mar 2013 #88

"We got ours"? JoePhilly Mar 2013 #91

lol "Hair-on-fire Underground" ? madfloridian Mar 2013 #90

Actually ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #92

This is the 1st time in my memory that a Dem president OFFERED it up to extremists. madfloridian Mar 2013 #95

+ten zillion, three hundred million graham4anything Mar 2013 #126

It's really very simple, no one who lies about SS in order to try to cut benefits, sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #44

Obama will now have to "deal with the losers in a globalized economy." His own words. madfloridian Mar 2013 #69

I saw Glenn Hubbard on Bloomberg Financial this a.m. KoKo Mar 2013 #89

It's an idea from the Hamilton Project jsr Mar 2013 #58

Transcript Obama's speech to the Hamiltonian Democrats. You are right. madfloridian Mar 2013 #65

Awesome journal. jsr Mar 2013 #68

You need to post Obama's speech in the video forum. madfloridian Mar 2013 #67

The Third Way (with their outsourcing and "free trade") destroyed the tax base. Romulox Mar 2013 #63

The third way are an essential mechanism whereby the right-wing achieves their core economic agenda Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #70

Restricted choice. hay rick Mar 2013 #72

Amen to that. madfloridian Mar 2013 #73

Just a few nights ago I saw David Brooks and Mark Shields "debating" but actually agreeing Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #112

"defining the disregarding of the will of the people as "showing leadership and courage." madfloridian Mar 2013 #115

The Third Way is the pinnacle of "not as bad" politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #75

Very true. madfloridian Mar 2013 #78

After listening to some MBA students redstatebluegirl Mar 2013 #76

Yes, full care of their parents...that would change their minds suddenly. madfloridian Mar 2013 #80

Ahh, a whole new batch moondust Mar 2013 #100

"maybe even have to allow them to move in with them": And when there are several siblings? WinkyDink Mar 2013 #105

Methinks these young folks haven't thought thru the consequences. madfloridian Mar 2013 #111

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #85

Thank you WillyT madfloridian Mar 2013 #96

Still waiting on a proposal from said Democrats that gives specifics re: "cutting" The Big Three. Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #101

Third Way site today is recycling a 2012 article called Collision Course, lecturing baby boomers madfloridian Mar 2013 #103

Where are these "far higher returns"??????????????????? WinkyDink Mar 2013 #104

K & R historylovr Mar 2013 #106

Millionaire Politicians don't need Social Security... Blue Idaho Mar 2013 #109

Yep. madfloridian Mar 2013 #110

Thanks "MF" for all you do here...informing us of the REAL NEWS! KoKo Mar 2013 #113

I just noticed your sig line. madfloridian Mar 2013 #120

Hello Madfloridian !!!! FogerRox Mar 2013 #118

Ooh, read this "calming" part. madfloridian Mar 2013 #119

Fascinating read, Roger Fox... KoKo Mar 2013 #127

The Playbook, yup. FogerRox Mar 2013 #130

SS/M group is open for business FogerRox Mar 2013 #131

Just subscribed. hay rick Mar 2013 #132

Thank you very much. madfloridian Mar 2013 #137

K&R to read later. n/t truth2power Mar 2013 #121

it is theft. on point Mar 2013 #122

Rich people hire people to do stuff. Octafish Mar 2013 #128

K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #129

Thank you, madfloridian. I'm so very glad that you are posting your excellent, informative threads Zorra Mar 2013 #135