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DanTex

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107. Note to self: don't use subtety when arguing with gun nuts.

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:20 PM

Mar 2013

Sorry, my mistake. I have to remember my audience. Let's try that again...

I didn't call to "ban all guns". You put the phrase "ban all guns" in quotes, as if to imply that I did. That is a dishonest argumentative technique, known as a "straw argument".

Clear enough?

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America, You Must Not Look Away (How to Finish Off the NRA) ...a letter from Michael Moore [View all] Mira Mar 2013 OP

The people we've voted for since Columbine � with the exception of Michael Bloomberg ... graham4anything Mar 2013 #1

Oh yes they did, they let the assault weapons ban expire (2004) mountain grammy Mar 2013 #49

K&R abelenkpe Mar 2013 #2

this was the most difficult thing I have ever read from MM. mikeysnot Mar 2013 #3

Same here - and there have been many that were tough to swallow Mira Mar 2013 #10

I went into the kitchen and hugged my boy mikeysnot Mar 2013 #62

It seems like the mother of Emmett Till's heroism has been forgotten Bay Boy Mar 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Bay Boy Mar 2013 #6

Truth hurts, doesn't it? I guess that is why you find it "disgusting." IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #7

I don't want mutilated children either... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #11

The *tools* were what MUTILATED the bodies of the children. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #16

So you feel if the AR-15 Bay Boy Mar 2013 #71

If you add the "or other high capacity weapon, then the death toll wouldn't have been as high" IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #89

We help those people by making sure they can't buy a gun off the back of a truck Mira Mar 2013 #25

I'm in that 91% Bay Boy Mar 2013 #79

Mr Bay Boy - we use what we have to make our points Mira Mar 2013 #12

I think you meant Bay Boy Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #13

I did. HONESTLY, no need to lie. My Freud must have been showing. DANG Mira Mar 2013 #15

just edit your post... all is fine ... no biggie Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #18

But the Till story doesn't fit Bay Boy Mar 2013 #23

The Till story fits PERFECTLY with the point being made... supernova Mar 2013 #195

I always wanted to be thought of Bay Boy Mar 2013 #26

Sorry. Sincerely. n/t Mira Mar 2013 #27

I wasn't offended Bay Boy Mar 2013 #86

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #171

What in the Hell does that mean? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #177

Your post is what's disgusting. Tab Mar 2013 #186

As always Michael Moore is saying what our elected officials should be saying libtodeath Mar 2013 #5

functionality fail Crepuscular Mar 2013 #35

Bull. daybranch Mar 2013 #66

Don't know much about hunting, do you? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #100

But there are other alternatives too. If assault rifles were banned, true hunter will continue doing Hoyt Mar 2013 #112

Yes, that's true Crepuscular Mar 2013 #115

Those "Scary Looks" Are Why People Like You Are Buying Assault Rifles. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #118

Exactly. In my opinion, that is reason enough to restrict those attracted to them from owning them. Hoyt Mar 2013 #119

Uh-huh Crepuscular Mar 2013 #125

It's "fun" to do a lot of things, but if detrimental to society, it might be best to restrict it. Hoyt Mar 2013 #127

Hate to burst your bubble, premium Mar 2013 #128

So -- do gun cultists have to do things that are legal, but detrimental to society? Hoyt Mar 2013 #130

Pushing the envelope? premium Mar 2013 #132

No, I mean like people steeped in guns who covet/need the most lethal weapons for their lovefests. Hoyt Mar 2013 #133

But if they're not doing anything illegal with them. premium Mar 2013 #135

Majority of toters and gun accumulators are immature, right wingers & bigots - not good combination. Hoyt Mar 2013 #139

How do you know this? premium Mar 2013 #141

When one says "majority" -- it does not mean "everyone." Hoyt Mar 2013 #142

While I will agree that most "gun accumulators" are "right wingers" ... spin Mar 2013 #189

Same old song. Don't do anything for another decade to make you guys happy. Hoyt Mar 2013 #193

We get nowhere because you guys insist that we have to ban certain guns. ... spin Mar 2013 #196

You know as you write that marions ghost Mar 2013 #210

Gun owners support improvements to our laws that would work. ... spin Mar 2013 #215

See, no constructive ideas, ya got nuthin marions ghost Mar 2013 #220

So you feel that universal background checks, coupled with better screening for the sale of .... spin Mar 2013 #221

Too little too late marions ghost Mar 2013 #223

I actually agree with some of your ideas. ... spin Mar 2013 #224

here's another one posted by SoCalDem marions ghost Mar 2013 #225

I would have no problem with requiring a gun owner to have liability insurance ... spin Mar 2013 #227

And who wants to live in Florida? marions ghost Mar 2013 #234

I actually have no desire to live in another state. ... spin Mar 2013 #238

OK so FL is in the top fifth marions ghost Mar 2013 #245

I so like how you said that. Mira Mar 2013 #246

Yes that is step one marions ghost Mar 2013 #247

Why do you suggest that gun owners control you? ... spin Mar 2013 #256

I know that shooting is a sport. marions ghost Mar 2013 #257

I support the current gun laws in the state of Florida. ... spin Mar 2013 #258

I realize that you marions ghost Mar 2013 #261

A catastrophe of Biblical proportions is possible. ... spin Mar 2013 #262

While I don't own an assault style rifle I realize they have significant advantages ... spin Mar 2013 #184

You are exactly (well sort of) right. I think ban should cover all semi-autos, including handguns. Hoyt Mar 2013 #120

because Crepuscular Mar 2013 #124

Look, a 10% improvement is significant. Hoyt Mar 2013 #126

Cost/benefit Crepuscular Mar 2013 #134

So what dollar value do you put on kids shot at Sandy Hook and their families? Hoyt Mar 2013 #140

What cost do you place on the hundreds of kids who drown in swimming pools every year? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #143

Enjoy your guns and stay. Hoyt Mar 2013 #145

Sometimes there are no words. GoneOffShore Mar 2013 #202

Identifying the problem Crepuscular Mar 2013 #209

So maybe all those should be banned too. ArcticFox Mar 2013 #200

It will slow gun proliferation because gun culture doesn't get all excited about revolvers, etc. Hoyt Mar 2013 #203

Assault rifles/weapons were designed from the ground up to be maximally effective at killing humans. ArcticFox Mar 2013 #199

The AR family and .223 calibre bullets are designed from the ground up for killing ArcticFox Mar 2013 #198

You know, of course, the .30-06 is a hunting round.... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #239

The military 5.56mm round was derived from the civilian .222 Remington hack89 Mar 2013 #250

you do know Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #180

Useless information, that changes nothing in the debate Hoyt Mar 2013 #201

But, but... Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #229

:) Hoyt Mar 2013 #230

are these hunting rifles? Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #181

A Pulitzer Prize to the journalist who can do an expose series w/these photos Divernan Mar 2013 #8

This is proof that MM only cares about his own agenda Bay Boy Mar 2013 #9

How much more devastated - in your opinion - Mira Mar 2013 #14

Then why don't we hear this from the families themselves? n/t Bay Boy Mar 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin Mar 2013 #28

All we need to do is listen. They are talking plenty. n/t Mira Mar 2013 #29

I understand that they are talking... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #76

Yes. Robb Mar 2013 #78

Embarrassing typo there Bay Boy Mar 2013 #136

One of them did describe in graphic detail nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #109

If they ever do release the crime scene photos Bay Boy Mar 2013 #137

Are You A Mind Reader? n/t HangOnKids Mar 2013 #144

Yes n/t Bay Boy Mar 2013 #146

What Am I Thinking About You? n/t HangOnKids Mar 2013 #154

I'm positive that I know what you are thinking of me. Bay Boy Mar 2013 #156

A Smattering Of DU Opinions Does Not Everyone Make HangOnKids Mar 2013 #158

Huh? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #159

It's ok to admit you misread my comment... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #174

Still nothing? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #216

Go Pound Sand HangOnKids Mar 2013 #219

And I will applaud them nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #164

I'm not sure what this means: Bay Boy Mar 2013 #166

The 5.56 sucks to hunt deer nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #167

I agree... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #169

Not true Crepuscular Mar 2013 #183

You have missed their testimony before the State and Federal houses nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #97

Oh, please. Robb Mar 2013 #20

The PICTURES aren't why they are devastated and you need to stop playing IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #22

I don't think he's playing. laundry_queen Mar 2013 #235

Aaaaand right on cue... MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #24

Gun cuddlers, at least in arguments, tend to lead with their chins. Robb Mar 2013 #30

His agenda is to save lives The Blue Flower Mar 2013 #64

Yes, because this strategy works so well for the anti-abortionists. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #17

"Gun safety advocates are just like anti-abortionists and Dick Cheney!!111" Robb Mar 2013 #31

I wouldn't say that, but you're free to do so. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #37

Of course you wouldn't, you might get a post hidden. Robb Mar 2013 #39

First I would have to think it to write it, which I didn't. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #42

So you're going with "I know you are but what am I." Robb Mar 2013 #52

I'm really impressed with your ability to imagine things I wrote or expressed. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #105

That's a good point RZM Mar 2013 #33

Your analogy is an epic fail HangOnKids Mar 2013 #108

Please do explain why you think the analogy failed. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #114

No, I have nothing to say to you HangOnKids Mar 2013 #117

What a lame ass move RZM Mar 2013 #131

I'm sorry to inform you there IS such a thing as... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #191

Sorry to inform you that bloody pictures have been Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #241

There are states now considering and/or passing legislation that would allow teachers and spicegal Mar 2013 #21

Hmmm Crepuscular Mar 2013 #32

Absent a gun, how many children do you suppose he might've killed? Robb Mar 2013 #34

An equal number? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #36

Since Kehoe, the purchase and possession of dynamite has become strictly regulated. Robb Mar 2013 #38

fuel oil and fertilizer Crepuscular Mar 2013 #40

You forgot WTC '93 and 9/11. Robb Mar 2013 #50

Continue? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #55

How many children were killed by bombs last week in the US? Robb Mar 2013 #56

How many killed by "Assault Weapons" Indydem Mar 2013 #68

Zero Crepuscular Mar 2013 #72

More kids are shot by guns every week than died at OKC. Robb Mar 2013 #73

Nope Crepuscular Mar 2013 #80

Anything but guns. Got it. Robb Mar 2013 #82

Nineteen Crepuscular Mar 2013 #85

Wow, that's about 150X less than the number of children killed by guns. DanTex Mar 2013 #93

It's about equivilent Crepuscular Mar 2013 #98

LOL. As long "equivilent" doesn't mean "equal". DanTex Mar 2013 #103

Really? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #116

No, it's more like how laundry_queen Mar 2013 #236

Absent a gun? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #84

Concern over children being mutilated by an assault rifle thucythucy Mar 2013 #41

Really? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #43

I would only be in favor of publishing the photos thucythucy Mar 2013 #87

How many Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #44

I'm also opposed to drunk drivers. thucythucy Mar 2013 #81

What is an assult rifle? n/t HangOnKids Mar 2013 #110

An assault rifle is whatever the NY Times says it is, on any given day. Paladin Mar 2013 #122

Once again, Mr Moore leaves the Delicate Flowers scrambling for excuses. 99Forever Mar 2013 #45

Who are the 'delicate flowers' you speak of? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #168

Run along ... 99Forever Mar 2013 #170

Please explain yourself... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #175

I want those pictures to be presented to Mr. lapierre the next time he testifies in Congress kimbutgar Mar 2013 #46

Wheat paste them to his door. mwrguy Mar 2013 #178

Yes PennyK Mar 2013 #47

You are right, guns are things and don't have rights... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #240

Message auto-removed Prog_gun_owner Mar 2013 #48

I think the mental illness was the mother's obsession with assault weapons mountain grammy Mar 2013 #54

Bull shit. 99Forever Mar 2013 #57

wielded Crepuscular Mar 2013 #59

Without your "The Precious"... 99Forever Mar 2013 #60

Argumenet Fail Crepuscular Mar 2013 #63

What's an "Argumenet"???????? 99Forever Mar 2013 #65

Really? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #67

Your logic would suggest disbanding OSHA Robb Mar 2013 #69

My logic? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #74

Again with the NRA talking points... DanTex Mar 2013 #91

Again with the gun grabber shifting of goal posts Crepuscular Mar 2013 #94

LOL. You know, when you put something in quotes, it usually means you're actually quoting something. DanTex Mar 2013 #96

Ad hominem Crepuscular Mar 2013 #104

Note to self: don't use subtety when arguing with gun nuts. DanTex Mar 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author DanTex Mar 2013 #106

This post was alerted on! The jury voted 5/1 to let it stand! ohiosmith Mar 2013 #121

I think all of his posts are being alerted on in this thread Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #151

And your logic meanit Mar 2013 #194

Guns are guns Crepuscular Mar 2013 #232

You want to meanit Mar 2013 #264

One sign of the true "gun enthusiast" thucythucy Mar 2013 #95

refuted? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #102

You use the Bath school massacre as an example thucythucy Mar 2013 #147

analogy fail Crepuscular Mar 2013 #152

Is it more fun trolling left-wing boards than right-wing ones? Robb Mar 2013 #153

Wouldn't know, you tell me? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #172

So you're saying the virtual banning of dynamite thucythucy Mar 2013 #217

Did I say that? Crepuscular Mar 2013 #231

I think it's pretty certain that the banning of dynamite thucythucy Mar 2013 #233

Doubtful Crepuscular Mar 2013 #237

I think you scored debate points in regards to... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #182

I think mental health, specifically thucythucy Mar 2013 #218

The gun control initiative that if it had been in effect at the time Bay Boy Mar 2013 #222

A ban on civilian ownership thucythucy Mar 2013 #226

I just can't imagine that Bay Boy Mar 2013 #228

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #88

I think you're in the wrong place. The NRA trolls hang out in the gungeon, not in GD. DanTex Mar 2013 #92

Yep, it's mental illness that's the problem. What say you, gun lobby? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #113

I applaud Michael Moore for writing this. I've thought that the lack of pictures sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #51

I think it would strengthen the NRA madville Mar 2013 #53

A fool and his money. Robb Mar 2013 #58

It's not my plan madville Mar 2013 #61

WOW, What a letter! LittleGirl Mar 2013 #70

Can you live with "MANY Humans are Good & Decent?" marions ghost Mar 2013 #212

I said as much shortly after the shooting, as macabre as it is Demonaut Mar 2013 #75

Come to DETROIT and explain all of that, Michael. You're so out of touch... Romulox Mar 2013 #77

My first thought about this ... Autumn Colors Mar 2013 #83

Such an excellent letter to Americans. northoftheborder Mar 2013 #90

Won't happen nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #99

Then we have to get around the editors mwrguy Mar 2013 #129

I know...I just pointed a reality nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #165

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #101

Formal and informal groups such as "Moms against guns" know something needs to be done. Hoyt Mar 2013 #111

So his mother can't release the photos? michigandem58 Mar 2013 #123

You Want Michael Moore's Mother To Release Photos? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #138

Hardly material for a joke. n/t michigandem58 Mar 2013 #150

If they are crime scene photos thucythucy Mar 2013 #148

Thanks michigandem58 Mar 2013 #149

Thank you. alfredo Mar 2013 #155

Please read, stop the killing Milliesmom Mar 2013 #157

Here's a letter from our county sheriff stating that he won't enforce, WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #160

How long can he really remain sheriff if he violates a federal law? Blue Idaho Mar 2013 #161

A Sheriff doesn't have to enforce Federal Law Homerj1 Mar 2013 #176

Now that I did not know... Blue Idaho Mar 2013 #190

You're welcome Homerj1 Mar 2013 #192

Doesn't that make him guilty of obstructing justice? mwrguy Mar 2013 #179

No, it doesn't. premium Mar 2013 #185

He states in the letter that he won't permit the Feds to enforce the law. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #187

Then he could be arrested for obstruction. premium Mar 2013 #188

Not just obstruction of justice, FEDERAL obstruction of justice, potential 5 year prison term. stevenleser Mar 2013 #253

That's right. premium Mar 2013 #255

Michael Moore is loved by most Democrats Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #162

This is the country in which we raise millions to cure cancer, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #163

Kick because everyone should read this. stopwastingmymoney Mar 2013 #173

We live in an image culture... marions ghost Mar 2013 #214

Which is why this effort would fail... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #243

Ridiculous idea marions ghost Mar 2013 #244

The world is utterly filled with images... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #248

We're not numb to certain images though marions ghost Mar 2013 #251

The "hoax" matter: this & other conspiracy junk... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #252

the delegitimizing of MSM... marions ghost Mar 2013 #254

I don't think there is any chance these records are... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #259

"Harden a hateful culture war"?? marions ghost Mar 2013 #260

More like gun-controllers vs. their view of gun culture. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #263

Truly Horrific Imagery..... Oakenshield Mar 2013 #197

Gun Enthusiasts And The NRA Should All Be Shunned From Society As Unfit Citizens cantbeserious Mar 2013 #204

I'm glad you're not serious. LAGC Mar 2013 #205

We Now All Know That Irony Is Lost On Some At DU cantbeserious Mar 2013 #207

Gun Grabbers And The VPC Should All Be Shunned From Society As Unfit Citizens Peter cotton Mar 2013 #206

She is right erwinmary Mar 2013 #208

I agree with you ~ erwinmary In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #213

I do not have to look Mr. Moore; I already know, but you are right it would be good for the lonestarnot Mar 2013 #211

kr dogknob Mar 2013 #242

Considering that our opponents are experts at demagoguery, this would fail most spectacularly stevenleser Mar 2013 #249