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BlueStreak

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63. If he saw those as compromises, he hasn't gotten much in return for those compromises. Therefore

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:40 PM

Mar 2013

we must assume that is who he really is and what he really wanted.

Even so, if those right-wing outcomes were what he really wanted all along, a smart negotiator still should have been able to get something in return.

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I believe I'm as liberal as anyone on DU, but I'm concerned. [View all] mountain grammy Mar 2013 OP

With age comes wisdom, grammy. Not all (in fact damn few) on this board marybourg Mar 2013 #1

I'll never forget the horror I felt when Nixon was elected mountain grammy Mar 2013 #18

Tis true. Every word. pkdu Mar 2013 #2

Yes, the alternative is unthinkable! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #19

No. Obama got elected by implying he was more liberal than he has actually turned out to be. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #3

does the phrase "my policies are like those of moderate republicans" ring a bell? nt msongs Mar 2013 #5

no, it doesn't. because it wasn't a theme that was important in his campaign. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #9

He sure didn't when I saw him in Woodbridge, VA. He sounded like a real liberal to me. MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #11

+1,000,000 BlueStreak Mar 2013 #6

Every day, in every way, that's our challenge. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #42

Thing is, he didn't promise NOT to do those things. Of course, I don't agree, mountain grammy Mar 2013 #20

why am i supposed to tell you what your alternative was? you know as well as i do. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22

Sorry, rhetorical question, of course I knew what the alternative was. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #40

Obama is playing the cards he was dealt. We can criticize how much of a gambler BlueStreak Mar 2013 #48

there are many ways to play the cards he was dealt. he's decided to play them by droning, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #61

If he saw those as compromises, he hasn't gotten much in return for those compromises. Therefore BlueStreak Mar 2013 #63

We're going to have to be content with social progress Warpy Mar 2013 #4

I think so too, and maybe not even then. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #21

"a crooked financial structure that is killing us" marions ghost Mar 2013 #34

Granny Hekate gives a hearty KnR to Mountain Grammy Hekate Mar 2013 #7

Agreed. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #29

The country is more liberal than you think magellan Mar 2013 #8

Yes, they are, but so many don't know it or don't want to admit it. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #23

If America is so liberal demwing Mar 2013 #30

Because the amounts that we pay officials as salaries (and pensions if they stay around) cannot AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #10

Such language DemocratsForProgress Mar 2013 #13

Then you are truly in the wrong place....You do realize this is a Democratic website, right? Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #15

Sounds sensible but is built on a foundation of sand. We are losing ground and dangerously fast. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #12

"We are losing what we have, not gaining ground." = Exactly. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24

It has to start with making the word "liberal" acceptable again. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #25

I guess we're just not good at marketing! Loge23 Mar 2013 #31

great post. n/t. okieinpain Mar 2013 #43

I don't know how long it will take either, but someday! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #53

Kleptocracy marions ghost Mar 2013 #59

Not as bad. Politics as usual. Working within the system isn't working. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #14

Wise words from our Founders, but they didn't always live up to their wisdom. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #28

I'm with you Grammy olddots Mar 2013 #16

True, thanks! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #26

we didn't get stomped in 1968 hfojvt Mar 2013 #17

I don't think Obama's a "backstabbing weasel." He's just a moderate mountain grammy Mar 2013 #27

No, a lot of people assumed Obama was a liberal NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #32

He's not moderate, he's a profit-before-people conservative. And he won because the republicans Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #35

He's not a moderate. A moderate, for example, would follow the law and prosecute openly admitted AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #77

No, we're not. What liberals are, are the victims of a very effective PR campaign to sully Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #33

But voters aren't voting liberal and that's a problem. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #37

Voters aren't voting liberal because they have no liberals to vote for. Alan Grayson was voted for Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #41

I'd believe that was true if I hadn't seen co many good liberals go down in defeat mountain grammy Mar 2013 #50

Name three. Liberals usually lose Democratic primaries because Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #55

Andrew Romanoff lost the senate primary to Michael Bennet mountain grammy Mar 2013 #57

And who did President Obama and the DNC back? That's exactly my point. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #58

So Jimmy Carter couldn't bring "liberals back to the polls?" mountain grammy Mar 2013 #67

The liberals didn't vote, look at the numbers. Sure, those that did voted for Carter, but the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #68

Traveling, no time to answer. Safe at home. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #74

Hope your trip was good. we'll talk later. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #78

What? Lose interest, or just not interested in actual history? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #64

actually the government is okieinpain Mar 2013 #44

Republicans are right-wing, the Democrats are moderate. There is no left-wing party. davidn3600 Mar 2013 #39

That's exactly right (except it's almost all of Congress that are millionaires), and the reason Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #49

a concerted PR campaign that comes from the very top: datasuspect Mar 2013 #70

Yes they do, or they never knew. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #73

No matters the lies spewed by limpballs daily and the rw press always against us libtodeath Mar 2013 #36

You're right, we just have to convince people to vote accordingly. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #38

not if you put liberal or socialist in okieinpain Mar 2013 #46

I don't have to do a damned thing. LWolf Mar 2013 #45

I'm fighting too, LWolf, but I do think the Democratic party is, right now, the only way. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #52

when and if he does cut it, it will be too damn late. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #62

I'm not waiting for any more destruction. LWolf Mar 2013 #66

I'm a liberal and I will never stand behind any so-called "Democrat" who cuts SS or Medicare. forestpath Mar 2013 #47

+1. Any Dem who wants to do that can go straight to hell, as far as I'm concerned. n/t winter is coming Mar 2013 #75

From my experience ann--- Mar 2013 #51

I find your post confusing Marrah_G Mar 2013 #54

Exactly marions ghost Mar 2013 #56

That's because it's based upon a false dichotomy zipplewrath Mar 2013 #60

The center is shifting left Politicub Mar 2013 #65

Wisdom does come with age Oilwellian Mar 2013 #69

You have to do what you've got to do Politicub Mar 2013 #72

Redistricting seems to be the biggest obstacle. Bradical79 Mar 2013 #71

Correct, it's the local elections that truly matter Freddie Mar 2013 #79