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MattBaggins

(7,948 posts) Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:25 PM Mar 2013

So this guy is being lauded as the first "non white" Pope. [View all]

EDIT: Someone fixed the wiki page.

Even the Wiki page already has this on the list of descriptions of his choice as pope.

How is this guy not white?

Francis (Latin: Franciscus, Spanish: Francisco; born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936) is the 265th[1] and current pope of the Catholic Church, elected on 13 March 2013.[2] In that role he is both the leader of the Church and Sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from outside of Europe in more than a millennium, the first from the Americas, the first non-white, and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.

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So this guy is being lauded as the first "non white" Pope. [View all] MattBaggins Mar 2013 OP

That's something some person wrote on Wikipedia Renew Deal Mar 2013 #1

Yeah someone wanted to be first MattBaggins Mar 2013 #6

Like this person, rushing to get a map out? Coyotl Mar 2013 #91

His parents were from Italy. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #2

There have been African popes before. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #3

Tho "one drop" rule should cover it... immoderate Mar 2013 #4

Looks pretty white to me. Can somebody ... BlueStreak Mar 2013 #5

Now I just realized who this guy looks like. Fat Bastard Mar 2013 #21

looks like Rudy Guiliani to me Brainstormy Mar 2013 #53

Rudy Giuliani. n/t cloudbase Mar 2013 #54

Heh! Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #23

... Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #76

Saw a photo of him. He looks Caucasian to me. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2013 #7

His parents were Italian immigrants MattBaggins Mar 2013 #9

Who's lauding him as white? Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #8

Fixed that fast MattBaggins Mar 2013 #13

Some people from Spain or Latin America don't have brown skin liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #10

Spaniards are not Latinos Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #22

He has no Spaniard in him. His parents were Italian. nt DevonRex Mar 2013 #30

I know that Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #33

Well when my father was young his skin color was not white, but now that he is older it is. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #38

Spaniards are "Caucasian". Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #44

There are many Spaniards with Moorish blood, my sister is married to one. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #40

That has always puzzeld me as well. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #73

I didn't say Spaniards were Latinos liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #32

And there are no Spaniards in Spain Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #56

spanish is like british is these days arely staircase Mar 2013 #63

His parents were Italian. Not Spanish at all. nt DevonRex Mar 2013 #24

I didn't say his parents were Spanish. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #35

History of colonization. BlueStreak Mar 2013 #74

Not related Separation Mar 2013 #11

Pope Joan, right? Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #34

Hadn't heard until now... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #41

The Catholic Church has a long institutional memory. Laelth Mar 2013 #84

His parents were Italian Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #12

He is "Hispanic." Hispanic is not limited by race. MADem Mar 2013 #28

He is Italian. n/t Tx4obama Mar 2013 #36

Well, he's Argentinian of Italian descent. Bicoastal Mar 2013 #45

I was born here in The USA, I am an Italian-American. Tx4obama Mar 2013 #52

So he can't be "Italian Argentinian," but you can be "Italian-American?" MADem Mar 2013 #77

However you want to parse it Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #39

Yes, he absolutely is. MADem Mar 2013 #95

That is why the original wiki post struck me so fast MattBaggins Mar 2013 #43

Tell that to the folks at Census 2020 Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #46

People may self identify MattBaggins Mar 2013 #48

Race may, or may not exist--but humans do categorize one another in that way. MADem Mar 2013 #59

Well, you're going to have to elucidate, there. MADem Mar 2013 #58

Indeed--you can certainly play the card (and I know people who do) MADem Mar 2013 #57

Argentina is kind of an odd place jberryhill Mar 2013 #66

Brazil is a bit like that too. MADem Mar 2013 #69

Lots of Americans (English-speakers from the USA) ... Laelth Mar 2013 #85

He is Italian in heritage. If Fujimoro has no Hispanic relatives, he is not Hispanic. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #82

You are in error. Grievous error. MADem Mar 2013 #83

You are confusing Spanish-speaking with Hispania Coyotl Mar 2013 #89

No, I'm using the generally accepted term to describe Hispanic people. MADem Mar 2013 #93

If "white" is construed to be "European", perhaps... SoCalDem Mar 2013 #14

The Republican Party is more diverse than the Catholic Elite Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #15

How soon we forget Geraldine Ferraro (n/t) Retrograde Mar 2013 #29

When was she nominated for a position of authority in the Catholic Church? JVS Mar 2013 #94

Isn't that something! Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #42

So now Italians are "non-white?" MADem Mar 2013 #16

There was a time in this country when the Irish were considered non-white Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #61

They thought they had tails, too. And that Italians were black and "passing." MADem Mar 2013 #70

Yeah, I thought that ended around 1950 nt NoGOPZone Mar 2013 #75

By whom? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #17

Is he non European? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #25

argentina is as european as it gets without literally being on the european cont. arely staircase Mar 2013 #47

I hope the best for them MattBaggins Mar 2013 #49

none of my relatives in mexico think he is a white guy arely staircase Mar 2013 #50

There was a Pope Gregory from Syria 1200 odd years ago... Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #26

He's more pinkish that white. Certainly not brownish. Better than orange, I guess. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #18

he's a white guy arely staircase Mar 2013 #19

Never been to argentina MattBaggins Mar 2013 #31

used to eat at a uraguayan/arginetinian steak house when i lived in mexico arely staircase Mar 2013 #37

Uh, he's Italian, born in Argentina. DevonRex Mar 2013 #20

Thank you for clearing that up..... MzShellG Mar 2013 #60

They made Rubio Pope? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #27

many riight wingers consider latinos non white riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #51

this is true Brainstormy Mar 2013 #55

Lots of Russians, Italians, and Germans immigrated to Argentina aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #62

All the indigenous people have been chased up into the mountains or Cleita Mar 2013 #65

But can he dance the Tango? jberryhill Mar 2013 #67

On one wing, as it were--he only has one lung! nt MADem Mar 2013 #72

He is white of Italian descent as are many Argentinians. Cleita Mar 2013 #64

I WANT TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dembotoz Mar 2013 #68

Even if he wasn't white, he wouldn't be the first RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #71

Hispanic is not limited by race. Zax2me Mar 2013 #78

Jesuits are referred to as the "black Catholics". Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #79

FWIW WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2013 #80

No, he is not, fergawdsake. He is of Italian parentage. This is really STUPID. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #81

A Nigerian born in America is American. As is an Italian born in America. MADem Mar 2013 #87

An Italian born in Argentina is Argentinian, d'oh! Coyotl Mar 2013 #90

He's Italian by descent dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #86

It's kind of silly. He's as Latino as Henry Luce was Asian. JVS Mar 2013 #88

I wouldn't call him "Latino"--but I would call him "Hispanic!" MADem Mar 2013 #92