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MADem

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16. So now Italians are "non-white?"

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:36 PM

Mar 2013

Hmmmm! Of course, there are, these days, plenty of ethnicities amongst the Italian population, but I'm not sure this is a valid statement.

Both his parents were Italian immigrants to Argentina.

HISPANIC is not a "race." It cracks me up how many people and news agencies believe that it is! Cameron Diaz is "Hispanic." So's Sammy Sosa....do they look at all alike?

I mean, Barack Obama is Hawaiian and all, but there's no way anyone is gonna visually confuse the guy with Don Ho.

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So this guy is being lauded as the first "non white" Pope. [View all] MattBaggins Mar 2013 OP

That's something some person wrote on Wikipedia Renew Deal Mar 2013 #1

Yeah someone wanted to be first MattBaggins Mar 2013 #6

Like this person, rushing to get a map out? Coyotl Mar 2013 #91

His parents were from Italy. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #2

There have been African popes before. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #3

Tho "one drop" rule should cover it... immoderate Mar 2013 #4

Looks pretty white to me. Can somebody ... BlueStreak Mar 2013 #5

Now I just realized who this guy looks like. Fat Bastard Mar 2013 #21

looks like Rudy Guiliani to me Brainstormy Mar 2013 #53

Rudy Giuliani. n/t cloudbase Mar 2013 #54

Heh! Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #23

... Ed Suspicious Mar 2013 #76

Saw a photo of him. He looks Caucasian to me. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2013 #7

His parents were Italian immigrants MattBaggins Mar 2013 #9

Who's lauding him as white? Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #8

Fixed that fast MattBaggins Mar 2013 #13

Some people from Spain or Latin America don't have brown skin liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #10

Spaniards are not Latinos Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #22

He has no Spaniard in him. His parents were Italian. nt DevonRex Mar 2013 #30

I know that Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #33

Well when my father was young his skin color was not white, but now that he is older it is. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #38

Spaniards are "Caucasian". Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #44

There are many Spaniards with Moorish blood, my sister is married to one. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #40

That has always puzzeld me as well. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #73

I didn't say Spaniards were Latinos liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #32

And there are no Spaniards in Spain Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #56

spanish is like british is these days arely staircase Mar 2013 #63

His parents were Italian. Not Spanish at all. nt DevonRex Mar 2013 #24

I didn't say his parents were Spanish. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #35

History of colonization. BlueStreak Mar 2013 #74

Not related Separation Mar 2013 #11

Pope Joan, right? Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #34

Hadn't heard until now... TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #41

The Catholic Church has a long institutional memory. Laelth Mar 2013 #84

His parents were Italian Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #12

He is "Hispanic." Hispanic is not limited by race. MADem Mar 2013 #28

He is Italian. n/t Tx4obama Mar 2013 #36

Well, he's Argentinian of Italian descent. Bicoastal Mar 2013 #45

I was born here in The USA, I am an Italian-American. Tx4obama Mar 2013 #52

So he can't be "Italian Argentinian," but you can be "Italian-American?" MADem Mar 2013 #77

However you want to parse it Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #39

Yes, he absolutely is. MADem Mar 2013 #95

That is why the original wiki post struck me so fast MattBaggins Mar 2013 #43

Tell that to the folks at Census 2020 Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #46

People may self identify MattBaggins Mar 2013 #48

Race may, or may not exist--but humans do categorize one another in that way. MADem Mar 2013 #59

Well, you're going to have to elucidate, there. MADem Mar 2013 #58

Indeed--you can certainly play the card (and I know people who do) MADem Mar 2013 #57

Argentina is kind of an odd place jberryhill Mar 2013 #66

Brazil is a bit like that too. MADem Mar 2013 #69

Lots of Americans (English-speakers from the USA) ... Laelth Mar 2013 #85

He is Italian in heritage. If Fujimoro has no Hispanic relatives, he is not Hispanic. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #82

You are in error. Grievous error. MADem Mar 2013 #83

You are confusing Spanish-speaking with Hispania Coyotl Mar 2013 #89

No, I'm using the generally accepted term to describe Hispanic people. MADem Mar 2013 #93

If "white" is construed to be "European", perhaps... SoCalDem Mar 2013 #14

The Republican Party is more diverse than the Catholic Elite Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #15

How soon we forget Geraldine Ferraro (n/t) Retrograde Mar 2013 #29

When was she nominated for a position of authority in the Catholic Church? JVS Mar 2013 #94

Isn't that something! Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #42

So now Italians are "non-white?" MADem Mar 2013 #16

There was a time in this country when the Irish were considered non-white Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #61

They thought they had tails, too. And that Italians were black and "passing." MADem Mar 2013 #70

Yeah, I thought that ended around 1950 nt NoGOPZone Mar 2013 #75

By whom? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #17

Is he non European? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #25

argentina is as european as it gets without literally being on the european cont. arely staircase Mar 2013 #47

I hope the best for them MattBaggins Mar 2013 #49

none of my relatives in mexico think he is a white guy arely staircase Mar 2013 #50

There was a Pope Gregory from Syria 1200 odd years ago... Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #26

He's more pinkish that white. Certainly not brownish. Better than orange, I guess. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #18

he's a white guy arely staircase Mar 2013 #19

Never been to argentina MattBaggins Mar 2013 #31

used to eat at a uraguayan/arginetinian steak house when i lived in mexico arely staircase Mar 2013 #37

Uh, he's Italian, born in Argentina. DevonRex Mar 2013 #20

Thank you for clearing that up..... MzShellG Mar 2013 #60

They made Rubio Pope? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #27

many riight wingers consider latinos non white riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #51

this is true Brainstormy Mar 2013 #55

Lots of Russians, Italians, and Germans immigrated to Argentina aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #62

All the indigenous people have been chased up into the mountains or Cleita Mar 2013 #65

But can he dance the Tango? jberryhill Mar 2013 #67

On one wing, as it were--he only has one lung! nt MADem Mar 2013 #72

He is white of Italian descent as are many Argentinians. Cleita Mar 2013 #64

I WANT TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dembotoz Mar 2013 #68

Even if he wasn't white, he wouldn't be the first RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #71

Hispanic is not limited by race. Zax2me Mar 2013 #78

Jesuits are referred to as the "black Catholics". Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #79

FWIW WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2013 #80

No, he is not, fergawdsake. He is of Italian parentage. This is really STUPID. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #81

A Nigerian born in America is American. As is an Italian born in America. MADem Mar 2013 #87

An Italian born in Argentina is Argentinian, d'oh! Coyotl Mar 2013 #90

He's Italian by descent dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #86

It's kind of silly. He's as Latino as Henry Luce was Asian. JVS Mar 2013 #88

I wouldn't call him "Latino"--but I would call him "Hispanic!" MADem Mar 2013 #92