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42. Unless there's a revolution in the theology of Mary or of women its never going to happen.

Reply to bhikkhu (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:12 PM

Mar 2013

The Catholic Church thinks in centuries; humankind may not have that many centuries left.

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New pope is 1st Francis, saint of peace, poverty [View all] undeterred Mar 2013 OP

I'm guessing it's more for FX spreading the word, and not for fluffy birdies. Brickbat Mar 2013 #1

You would be correct. FX was the Jesuits primary missionary in Asia. nt msanthrope Mar 2013 #4

Learning the saints was good for something... Brickbat Mar 2013 #6

I was educated by Jesuits, starting in 8th grade. This is a wartime Pope. msanthrope Mar 2013 #7

Agreed. Brickbat Mar 2013 #10

Or they'd like to believe that this Pope likes deer and sparrows..... msanthrope Mar 2013 #17

Perhaps. Laelth Mar 2013 #57

unfortunately mrs_p Mar 2013 #60

True. Laelth Mar 2013 #61

I would love some of your optimism mrs_p Mar 2013 #64

Hopefully for environmental consciousness. undeterred Mar 2013 #8

The Pope is not Franciscan MattBaggins Mar 2013 #28

He named himself for Francis Xavier, not Assisi. Any Catholic who doesn't get the msanthrope Mar 2013 #2

How do you know which Francis he named himself for? undeterred Mar 2013 #9

Ahem--he named himself for the co-founder of his order, the first missionary msanthrope Mar 2013 #13

And where is the RCC in massive expansion mode right now? Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #23

Like I said in other posts....some will think this guy likes deer and sparrow, and others msanthrope Mar 2013 #24

I agree, this guy is a step backward to even more repudiation of Vatican II. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #27

Don't the Jesuits run some universities in the USA, too? IDK about that other stuff. freshwest Mar 2013 #53

Oh yes, Jesuits run some of the finest institutions of higher learning not only in this country. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #63

I could add to this GiveMeFreedom Mar 2013 #66

Agreed Lithos Mar 2013 #52

When I first heard "Francisco" I thought it was Sean O'Malley, but gateley Mar 2013 #54

So, you have the inside track on his real intention? He chose to live in an apartment pnwmom Mar 2013 #11

Believe what you want. If you think a Jesuit named himself after a Franciscan, rather msanthrope Mar 2013 #15

If he wanted to name himself after Francis Xavier, he would have done so. pnwmom Mar 2013 #18

Francis Assisi I could have been done, too. And that's the jesuitical poke, pnwmom.... msanthrope Mar 2013 #20

No, it could not. Assisi is a place name, not a Saint's name. pnwmom Mar 2013 #26

He's the Pope. He can name himself what ever he wants. Francisci Assisiensis has msanthrope Mar 2013 #29

Yeah, you keep thinking that. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #31

He's the Pope! You think he can't name himself whatever he wants? Who is going msanthrope Mar 2013 #35

The pope of all people isn't going to defy tradition and give himself a place name. pnwmom Mar 2013 #37

Dude...SOJ had 7 founders, just like the hills of Rome. You can still see the msanthrope Mar 2013 #38

Francis Xavier was Ignatius's student and one of his first followers. pnwmom Mar 2013 #39

Nonsense. The Jesuit Order was founded on August 15, 1534 with the vow at Monmartre. msanthrope Mar 2013 #43

Oh, right. That happened in an instant with no preparation whatsoever. pnwmom Mar 2013 #49

Yes...it did, according to those who believed that the blessing of the Virgin Mary msanthrope Mar 2013 #50

The Pope's official spokesman says he took the name after St. Francis of Assisi. pnwmom Mar 2013 #56

I think he is being jesuitical. nt msanthrope Mar 2013 #58

Yes indeed undeterred Mar 2013 #16

Think what you want. But if you think that the new pope named himself after the msanthrope Mar 2013 #19

Thats true... I am not even Catholic. undeterred Mar 2013 #21

I am paying attention to the news story. And I was Catholic. Jesuit-educated, Latin and msanthrope Mar 2013 #22

You have to consider the choices, my friend. undeterred Mar 2013 #41

I certainly appreciate Delphinus Mar 2013 #48

That's the opposite of the official reportage Recursion Mar 2013 #68

i understand much of the critcism here but arely staircase Mar 2013 #3

Most likely Francis Xavier who tried to bring the Inquisition to India hobbit709 Mar 2013 #5

Most likely not. If you read about him, you would have seen pnwmom Mar 2013 #12

And his involvement in the "Dirty War"? hobbit709 Mar 2013 #14

It's stunning to me that people on DU aren't aware of his collusion RainDog Mar 2013 #32

How many people on DU knew who he was before today? undeterred Mar 2013 #33

Maybe before they start inventing stories about him RainDog Mar 2013 #34

Noooooo!! My middle name is Francis KamaAina Mar 2013 #65

Peace and poverty are ok, but how about women's rights and equality? bhikkhu Mar 2013 #25

Unless there's a revolution in the theology of Mary or of women its never going to happen. undeterred Mar 2013 #42

I knew it would be an Italian. The Italian government made a deal with the outlaw, I mean outgoing rhett o rick Mar 2013 #30

The new Pope is from Argentina, not Italy. kwassa Mar 2013 #36

Does sounds like Italian count? What the hell. I am now zero of 1,000 for predictions anywayz. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #55

Message auto-removed CentristLiberal Mar 2013 #62

OK so whatever he pipi_k Mar 2013 #40

I heard that the Catholic Church was growing in Latin America undeterred Mar 2013 #44

Exact opposite, the RCC is waning in Central and especially South America. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #67

When I first heard the name he chose I immediately thought of Francis of Assisi Hekate Mar 2013 #45

Me too. undeterred Mar 2013 #46

So...is he not going to wear the expensive clothes and jewelry then? Apophis Mar 2013 #47

Both Jesuits and Franciscans take a vow of poverty. El Supremo Mar 2013 #51

I'm an ex-Catholic but I love the serentity prayer of St. Francis of Assisi cherish44 Mar 2013 #59