"Liberal believers are going to be the people who ultimately bring change to their own religions."

[We People]

56. Thank you, ReRe, for that side discussion within this thread, and the others who have joined in

Through my own parents (and within the community in which they raised me) I received the great gift of realizing that the most important measure of whether one's religious beliefs miss the point or not is in understanding and carrying out loving and humane treatment of others - especially those whose hearts are focused on making life meaningful by giving to others. Sounds easy but sometimes it's hard as hell. In these are especially hard times adding to either wrongdoing or the hurting of of our fellow human beings, on whatever level (interpersonal, community-wide, or on a national level) can be damaging to people in ways that we don't realize. It's a good thing that courageous people like King and Frankl somehow didn't allow other people, or even their own righteous anger, to overtake them, bring them down, or get the best of them.

I'm mainly just rambling but what you and others (including your OP, Will) brought up resonated with me.

Thank you, Will, for reminding us to be thoughtful and civil, and to "keep the main thing the main thing" - to keep our focus on justice and fairness, and to make this world better. Being human is a mixed bag but we should aim for being our best selves a majority of the time with at least a grain of humility.