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Bluenorthwest

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68. Here is what amazes me. The religion is named after 'the Christ' who clearly told his followers

Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:10 AM

Mar 2013

that they would be mocked and even persecuted for following him. He instructed them to react to such mockery with great joy and gladness. He is supposed to be the one who died for them, and he said 'rejoice when others mock your faith'. He never told them to demand respect, nor to stomp on the ground claiming the atheists were just as bad, or that the other denominations are also corrupt. He simply said 'rejoice and be very glad'.
He also taught that when offended, one should instantly forgive and offer 'the other cheek'. He also said that only those without flaw get to point out the flaws in others, some say institutional child abuse is a bit of a flaw, but the same priests who protect the rapists wail against gay people for not meeting their standards. Think about that as an honest person for a moment. Tell me how the teachings of Jesus allow for that hypocrisy.

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"Liberal believers are going to be the people who ultimately bring change to their own religions." [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2013 OP

Live and let live. jsr Mar 2013 #1

Color preference is an opinion. sangsaran Mar 2013 #16

And anyone who descriminates against someone's religion needs to accept the consequences liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #17

Calling someone out on their crimes is not bullying. sangsaran Mar 2013 #20

It is bullying liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #21

Please don't draw false parallels. sangsaran Mar 2013 #26

Are you kidding me? Of course they do. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #27

Please reread my post. sangsaran Mar 2013 #31

you're sparcing things liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #32

Do you really not see the difference? sangsaran Mar 2013 #46

"Their crimes"? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #62

Because no other religion/belief system has ever done anything wrong. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #22

Religious belief? sangsaran Mar 2013 #24

The Extreme Left is often very hostile to organized religion. MicaelS Mar 2013 #29

You said it yourself. sangsaran Mar 2013 #39

So you don't support the United States government? YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #83

We now have an interfaith group that is a safe haven for members of all faiths. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #2

That is excellent WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #3

I know. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #5

+a zillion TDale313 Mar 2013 #28

I didn't know about the interfaith group liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #14

Nice! Union Scribe Mar 2013 #34

K&R. I'm with you. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #4

Saw that WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #6

Kick, kick and fuckin' rec!! intheflow Mar 2013 #7

Hmm, It's given us Mother Teresa.... MNBrewer Mar 2013 #106

Really? intheflow Mar 2013 #120

I completely disagree. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #8

Well I'm not going to take it easy on people who insist they know that the only way to bring liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #13

The ministers were the ones who bullied me. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #41

then you were certainly free to leave. That does not mean everyone has to leave. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #45

and you don't get to tell people not to tell people to leave MNBrewer Mar 2013 #72

I did not tell anyone else to leave. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #87

This is over simplistic black and white thinking treestar Mar 2013 #84

141,000 Yugos were sold in the United States snooper2 Mar 2013 #9

great post WilliamPitt. K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #10

I see very little "dumping on people" (except the Pope/s), but well-deserved Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #11

+ 1 jillion Apophis Mar 2013 #15

I am not RC but I have seen some people going overboard on this. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #79

YAY! Thank you. Zorra Mar 2013 #12

The anti catholic feelings here are shocking nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #18

Not that shocking to me... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #85

I know, I was just hopping we outgrew it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #86

I will confess... ReRe Mar 2013 #19

I've always been fascinated with the way Christianity got African Americans liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #23

Absolutely! ReRe Mar 2013 #25

Faith was all Viktor Frankl had jsr Mar 2013 #35

Easy WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #30

I've always been fascinated with the way in which African Americans intheflow Mar 2013 #75

There's fundamentalists of all colors... ReRe Mar 2013 #99

I don't understand this about black people in church. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #111

Thank you, ReRe, for that side discussion within this thread, and the others who have joined in We People Mar 2013 #56

Another thing we have to remember... ReRe Mar 2013 #57

I lose all respect for Christians when they start hating others. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #90

It sounds like you live near or among many of these... ReRe Mar 2013 #110

Yep. That is exactly why we have no real friends. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #113

Right. Liberals will be the change RobertEarl Mar 2013 #33

Bullying is a poor motivator liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #38

Thanks for your reply RobertEarl Mar 2013 #40

From what I've heard this is the guy to address those particular issues. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #43

Ahh, there it is RobertEarl Mar 2013 #47

you really think you have any influence on people by bullying them? liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #48

You said it RobertEarl Mar 2013 #50

Nobody is going to change their religion because of some bozo on the internet jsr Mar 2013 #42

you are exactly right. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #44

There's the problem right there RobertEarl Mar 2013 #51

Here is what amazes me. The religion is named after 'the Christ' who clearly told his followers Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #68

Catholicism is not a democracy Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #78

Excellent post BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #89

Great analysis. Picking the Pope is as secret as picking the premier of China. kwassa Mar 2013 #97

Kick! patrice Mar 2013 #36

Imagine for a minute that the cardinals had picked as Pope dsc Mar 2013 #37

oh, I've had it liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #49

You forgot one important factor in your thinly veiled condescension. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #53

Well the Irish Catholics in Boston have had well over a century now. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #52

Good on you Will for trying to reason with the unreasonable. But you are confronting the fascism Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #54

Yep. It's like accusing Texas Democrats of supporting Rick Perry jsr Mar 2013 #65

This is BULLSHIT RainDog Mar 2013 #94

There are all kinds of movements and tendencies within the Catholic church and other religious Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #100

so I take it you're backing away from your bullshit fascist claim, then? RainDog Mar 2013 #105

no I am not. backing away from anything. I am seeing exactly the same kind of brain dead vitriol Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #108

I don't think people here (most) are hostile toward Catholics RainDog Mar 2013 #109

Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic, stated the church should be charged with crimes against humanity RainDog Mar 2013 #114

there you go again launching into the same fascistic hateful brain dead vitriolic response Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #115

wow. RainDog Mar 2013 #116

good. this is getting boring Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #117

People who have been sexually abused thank you for your moral courage n/t RainDog Mar 2013 #118

oh for crying out loud! nobody is defending that - so cut the crap!! Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #119

I don't think that's true at all, especially in the case of the Catholic church. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #55

That goes with most any kind of reform. rucky Mar 2013 #58

Here is what Francis has said about my people seeking rights. Do you agree with him or not, Will? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #59

I do not agree with him WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #60

Thank you Will. I am a student of religions, have many dear Catholic friends and have many Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #70

The comparison between Phelps and the Catholic Church is unfair WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #77

Well MNBrewer Mar 2013 #104

... RainDog Mar 2013 #107

That IS a problem, and it should be 0% for all of it. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #112

Blue Northwest, a moment Bohunk68 Mar 2013 #67

Not to be rude or anything, but this is not news to me. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #71

Actually, the term 'degraded' wasn't Bohunk68 Mar 2013 #74

"Change comes from within for those who are willing to take all the shit to get that change." Zorra Mar 2013 #80

Well said, Will. Very well said. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #61

Catholic church is often about politics; an insidious and invasive and often intolerant politics bigtree Mar 2013 #63

Right. They don't operate in a vacuum. People are hurt by their policies. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #73

Liberalism has existed for centuries. Where is the change? dmallind Mar 2013 #64

Liberation Theology. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #66

I agree that shitting on fellow DUers is unproductive, but liberals won't change the churches. JVS Mar 2013 #69

It wasn't my Savior who instructed me to attend to the beam in my own eye first Fumesucker Mar 2013 #76

Nah, it's more fun to troll the forum with "religious people are stupid/brainwashed/etc" YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #81

Thank you! treestar Mar 2013 #82

Oh, sure, go ahead and let your guard down ... Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #88

rofl treestar Mar 2013 #96

Or not (r.e. ultimately bringing change to their own religions) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #91

Honestly, no disrespect intended, I just don't get it. Evoman Mar 2013 #92

As far as I'm concerned anyone who belongs to a religion is complicit in the evil that they do. alarimer Mar 2013 #95

^ Exactly. ^ Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #98

I don't get it either. Apophis Mar 2013 #102

No, people leaving religion will ultimately bring change... MellowDem Mar 2013 #93

Liberal believers have changed many denominations, but they can't change the Catholic Church. kwassa Mar 2013 #101

well what can you say, some of us want to build a progressive majority which will NEVER happen and Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #103

Come on over to the discussion at the National Catholic Reporter. musette_sf Mar 2013 #121

Locking, despite my misgivings, as per the near unanimous vote of the gd hosts. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #122