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stevenleser

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189. OWS would say that you don't hate the 1%, you hate policies that benefit the 1% at

Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:39 AM

Mar 2013

the expense of the 99%.

If you follow that philosophy, which I think is a good one, then there is no reason to direct outrage/anger/ill will at Chelsea Clinton or her husband.

They haven't pushed any of those kinds of policies as far as we know. The wealthy who choose to live in NYC, in fact, are choosing to live in a city with a tax structure that will force them to pay a lot more than in other places for a lot of programs starting with infrastructure including a massive and thorough mass transit system that benefits the 99% as I well know since I use the subway every day.

It's definitely not necessary to hate 1%'ers to push for policies that benefit the 99%. Those who are doing that here (and you are not one of them devilgrrl) are doing that entirely of their own accord for their own personal and non-political reasons.

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Chelsea Clinton Buys A $10.5 Million Apartment On Madison Square Park [View all] Nye Bevan Mar 2013 OP

Snarky comments in 3...2...1... WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #1

Shiny Object! You know what's *much* more important woo me with science Mar 2013 #19

+1 The ruling class couldn't care less about what color jersey they wear. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #130

* ronnie624 Mar 2013 #196

Goldman Sacks sacred now? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #201

Middle Class is disappearing culture ... Bryn Mar 2013 #252

We love our 1 percenters! B2G Mar 2013 #2

Much better than a Donald DoucheTrump property. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #3

She's an only child of two wealthy parents.. Why would she NOT have a great place to live? SoCalDem Mar 2013 #4

The double standard on wealth here is tres amusing B2G Mar 2013 #5

Well, Bless your heart SoCalDem Mar 2013 #9

What double standard? Wait Wut Mar 2013 #18

Apparently some think so. I remember someone criticizing me here for saying we shouldnt hate rich stevenleser Mar 2013 #186

I hear you. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #229

There are people on DU that are convinced that all poor people are saints and bluestate10 Mar 2013 #228

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Mar 2013 #21

I second that emotion. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #39

Screwing lots of people over is why great wealth exists, whether any individual wealthy person HiPointDem Mar 2013 #140

Agree. nt Edim Mar 2013 #208

It's not only guns, warships and rockets. Wealth is theft. Edim Mar 2013 #209

In essence, without labor money would have no value... Larry Ogg Mar 2013 #211

Really? Hatred of someone solely because they have money? Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #57

i didn't see any hatred expressed. maybe your nick should be 'willfully blind'. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #148

Short answer? Yes to all of your statements. stevenleser Mar 2013 #187

Agreed...more hypocrisy... choie Mar 2013 #65

And what exactly do you mean by that?!? catbyte Mar 2013 #105

Just because I'm not a sycophant choie Mar 2013 #218

A pass on what? leftynyc Mar 2013 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #70

Keep Trying! NBachers Mar 2013 #110

we need to fix the systemic problem of income inequality, ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #162

I think you are right 1983law Mar 2013 #217

I'm talking about a rigged tax code and wage theft ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #219

So you are not saying 1983law Mar 2013 #221

I'm saying what I just said. ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #240

Nope. 1983law Mar 2013 #251

What double standard? leftynyc Mar 2013 #167

Oh, baloney. H2O Man Mar 2013 #203

Uh huh. Sure it would B2G Mar 2013 #207

dbl standard regardind nepotism also. russert's kid gets bashed here. little mention of chelsea's hi Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #230

Yea but it's close enough to walk to work tech3149 Mar 2013 #6

I am well educated--better than Chelsea Clinton.. pangaia Mar 2013 #104

it doesn't seem like a great place to me hfojvt Mar 2013 #129

Looking forward to a Chelsea Clinton/ John Schlossberg ticket (or vice versa) in 2036 and 2040 graham4anything Mar 2013 #7

Because nothing says "democracy" like inherited titles. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #54

If money is so bad, why does everyone want some? graham4anything Mar 2013 #68

Dumb question. Bonobo Mar 2013 #71

There are no dumb questions as librarians nation wide like to say graham4anything Mar 2013 #74

"One persons money has no effect on another person having or not having money" Bonobo Mar 2013 #78

What you just said is so ironic. You do realize what you just said, right? graham4anything Mar 2013 #86

Please. Don't stop now. I'm enjoying this. Bonobo Mar 2013 #88

So, you are saying that getting rid of all the rich shall make the world perfect? graham4anything Mar 2013 #90

Dude, YOU are the one that said that the rich grabbing money affects no one else. Bonobo Mar 2013 #93

It's your right not to answer. But as said, there are no dumb questions. graham4anything Mar 2013 #95

I think we're finished. Bonobo Mar 2013 #97

Check mate. graham4anything Mar 2013 #98

Lol..."checkmate" theKed Mar 2013 #108

Oh, I thought he was telling me to "check" my "mate". Bonobo Mar 2013 #128

Uh... you were just spanked. Marr Mar 2013 #225

I got an example OwnedByCats Mar 2013 #178

It's not that we should get rid of wealth. It's that we should get rid of poverty. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #141

Really like how simple your post puts it. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #183

Having no problem with 'wealth' ronnie624 Mar 2013 #205

I completely agree. EVERYONE in our country should have enough to eat and a safe place bluestate10 Mar 2013 #231

"Without all the rich, NOTHING at all would change." Union Scribe Mar 2013 #242

You just agreed with what I said! graham4anything Mar 2013 #243

HOLY shit. Marr Mar 2013 #224

You were expecting something else? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #131

I just think that we should not be cutting people's meager Social Security benefits JDPriestly Mar 2013 #139

Nothing says democracy like being elected in a popular election. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #135

I think it is pretty obvious. Bonobo Mar 2013 #138

So you didn't want JFK or RFK Teddy or Gore or FDR or Jerry Brown orJQ Adams, to ever run? graham4anything Mar 2013 #144

That is the reductionistic logic of a simpleton. Bonobo Mar 2013 #155

No, I understand it quite nicely, thank you. graham4anything Mar 2013 #158

Nobody died? kattycat Mar 2013 #176

Yup. 500,000. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #177

Absolute nonsense. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #175

You're seriously comparing the advantage that an incumbent has Bonobo Mar 2013 #179

+1000 whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #200

Generally agree with you on many issues but Skidmore Mar 2013 #165

Her husband is a rising ex-Goldman Sachs investment banker. They probably paid cash leveymg Mar 2013 #8

Oy Chelsea you could have done better . olddots Mar 2013 #223

5000 square feet for two people seems like ... frazzled Mar 2013 #10

And what's with all those bathrooms? Why??? nt babylonsister Mar 2013 #56

Clearly they need all those bathrooms to waterboard poor people. name not needed Mar 2013 #87

LOL, thread winner!!!!! stevenleser Mar 2013 #191

They clearly intend to throw a lot of parties. 5000 sq ft + 6.5 bathrooms makes it perfect for that. stevenleser Mar 2013 #192

Yeah. I get the sense that they are going to be entertaining a lot and having big shots and their bluestate10 Mar 2013 #232

If you got it, flaunt it. Ostentation much? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #11

I know that area. It is reasonably nice. Close to lower Manhattan and Wall Street but bluestate10 Mar 2013 #36

the keeping up with the Jonses is getting out of hand. Whisp Mar 2013 #12

Homes in that area cost that much. Her husband and her work on Wall Street. They bluestate10 Mar 2013 #37

I guess Wall Street people are good people sometimes. Whisp Mar 2013 #46

Some are good. Too many are assholes. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #51

Name three. They are parasites that make the world a worse place every day they go to work. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #132

Bullshit leftynyc Mar 2013 #170

Imagine that. Someone that lives around (and works?) on Wall Street claiming that they're Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #194

Continue with your ignorant statements leftynyc Mar 2013 #195

Oh my, I'm cut to the quick. The parasites believe that I'm not bright enough to understand Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #197

Oh my, here's another ignorant fool that just doesn't understand how truly wonderful these Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #216

I produce nothing and make good money. Am I a parasite? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #213

If you're interested in an assessment, provide more details. I suspect that that is not Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #214

You Don't work there. What makes you such an expert on human nature? bluestate10 Mar 2013 #226

People can rationalize their actions forever, but rationalizations don't make you good. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #241

Plenty of Wall Streeters RobinA Mar 2013 #212

I am glad to see that you are separating people from the culture that they work in. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #227

Daddy was a very *lucrative* breed of Democrat. Marr Mar 2013 #13

Reminds me of Downton Abbey LittleBlue Mar 2013 #14

Downton saw the aristocrats as supporting the peasants, actually Recursion Mar 2013 #32

It's silly jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #154

The female head of the 'real' downton (the place where it's filmed) was the daughter of Alfred HiPointDem Mar 2013 #73

A $10.5 million apartment is a good argument for wealth redistribution. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #15

And the Repubs who used to diss Chelsea for her looks? They're all drooling. mnhtnbb Mar 2013 #16

This thread would be so very different if one name were changed in that article. Brickbat Mar 2013 #17

Like maybe change "Clinton" to "Romney" kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #22

I was thinking about the Bush twins, Brickbat Mar 2013 #23

Barbara Bush II lives in NYC. I don't think she has a place like Chelsea, but I doubt that she bluestate10 Mar 2013 #40

i'll bet she does, just the equivalent for a single woman. she lives in greenwich village. i've HiPointDem Mar 2013 #124

Yeah. I agree with you on all points. Barbara Bush II likely has a toney place to live. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #233

Maybe not, seeing as the Bush twins supported and voted for Obama. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #136

So true, the double standard here is fucking amazing at times. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #55

if it's true, why is it flamebait? only because there are folks here who don't want to admit it, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #96

I think it is our business how the 1% lives, when they're proposing to cut social welfare & HiPointDem Mar 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #120

Jealousy leads to high blood pressure, when what is needed is Wellness. graham4anything Mar 2013 #146

heal thyself physician HiPointDem Mar 2013 #147

Having a 48 ounce soda(780 calories), then a refill91560), is = to having a gun and a bullet graham4anything Mar 2013 #150

oh for god's sake, don't you have better things to think about than how much soda someone HiPointDem Mar 2013 #151

Wellness saves the poorest the most in reduced health care bills graham4anything Mar 2013 #152

that exemplifies the upper-class approach to other people's health. monitor their soda use HiPointDem Mar 2013 #153

Wellness helps the poor the most graham4anything Mar 2013 #156

How about we let the poor make thier own decisions? Upton Mar 2013 #157

I am a soda addict. Held to the cult of the soda. I welcome any wellness help anytime graham4anything Mar 2013 #159

Yeah, that soda culture.. Upton Mar 2013 #161

If its so unimportant, why does the NRA fight back instead of ignoring graham4anything Mar 2013 #164

What does the NRA have to do with soda? Upton Mar 2013 #169

Christine Quinn for Mayor of NYC 2013. I bet Chelsea & Hillary will vote for her. graham4anything Mar 2013 #174

OWS would say that you don't hate the 1%, you hate policies that benefit the 1% at stevenleser Mar 2013 #189

Competely agree. n/t hughee99 Mar 2013 #102

Change it to Chavez's daughter and watch what happens. Only American politicians sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #145

Not for me and not if you follow OWS's good advice. stevenleser Mar 2013 #190

Four bedrooms and six-and-a-half baths? Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #20

I'm guessing they will be doing a LOT of entertaining (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #26

I was just going to say that. I'm marrying a foreign service officer this summer... Recursion Mar 2013 #29

Well, sure, I'll buy that. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #236

it might be 2 bathrooms for 1 bedroom JI7 Mar 2013 #27

How cool would that be. Never having to worry about leaving the toilet seat up (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #35

a lot of couples have said it helps their relationship JI7 Mar 2013 #41

That is standard for some upper income couples. Both people run on their schedules and bluestate10 Mar 2013 #43

Just in case the toilets don't work (spares) Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #101

Here is the floorplan Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #222

Hate the floorplan.. good thing I'm not rich. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #239

Windows only on the ends - really gives off a Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #248

How DARE she not live in squalor! name not needed Mar 2013 #24

there is a lot of yardage between squalor and a 10 million dollar hovel. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #52

Yep! It's disgraceful! babylonsister Mar 2013 #60

*North* of Madison Square Park? Might as well be in the Garment District... Recursion Mar 2013 #28

There's a notorious on premise swing club right around the corner from them Yavin4 Mar 2013 #31

The area has many good spots, but some rough ones. The trend is upscale. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #45

is that why they chose the neighborhood? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #76

Possibly. It's literally like 1 block from them. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #83

Speculation on your part. I have been in that area, there is a lot of questionable shit one block bluestate10 Mar 2013 #234

It's a joke. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #235

Trapeze... WilmywoodNCparalegal Mar 2013 #198

C'mon they can eat at Eleven Madison Park or the Shake Shack frazzled Mar 2013 #62

Isn't that the original Shake Shack? Recursion Mar 2013 #67

The Kennedys Were Stinking Rich. So were the Roosevelts. They bought palatial homes too. Yavin4 Mar 2013 #30

The Clintons are no more in that camp than the Bushes. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #34

Barbara Bush II works for a non-profit and is pro gay rights. Not all Bushes are bad. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #48

Interesting Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #49

Every time I read something about Barbara Bush II, I come away thinking that she is a bluestate10 Mar 2013 #53

I know nothing about her actually Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #66

Barbara Bush II is the oldest daughter of Barbara and George W Bush. nt bluestate10 Mar 2013 #84

Yes, they are. As are all of them. The fact that some do some good in no way changes the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #133

she doesn't just work for it, it's *her own* non-profit, tied into the gates foundation mission HiPointDem Mar 2013 #143

That may be true kattycat Mar 2013 #180

She's not exactly "pro gay." She just isn't against gay rights. There's a difference. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #245

But the Roosevelts invented social programs. They did not destroy them. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #142

Chelsea Clinton hasn't enacted, destroyed or modified any programs. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #188

You mean LBJ don't you? LBJ was by far the single most liberal president ever. Without a doubt. graham4anything Mar 2013 #149

You forgot Vietnam.. Upton Mar 2013 #163

JFK and Eisenhower's war, and JFK hired McNamara. Lest you forget graham4anything Mar 2013 #166

I think what gives people a somewhat icky feeling is the relatively recent development of former Midwestern Democrat Mar 2013 #237

Am I suppose to be happy for the super rich simply because they are Democrats? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #33

It's all about vicarious participation and the illusion of inclusion kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #72

Indeed. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #82

perfection +9001 Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #89

the insinuation that the Obama's are rich elites is hilarious when you are comparing to the famiy Whisp Mar 2013 #100

You're not even warm. kenny blankenship Mar 2013 #107

"the illusion of inclusion" i think has more to do with things like the amazingly high rate of black HiPointDem Mar 2013 #121

so Obama takes the brunt of all the gridlock. Whisp Mar 2013 #122

lol. faux outrage. i'm sure you understood the point from jump street, you just aren't allowed HiPointDem Mar 2013 #125

go away. Whisp Mar 2013 #126

you're not obliged to respond to my posts and can even put them on ignore if you like. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #127

bullcrap. Cha Mar 2013 #112

+1000000 woo me with science Mar 2013 #160

The uber wealthy will be the uber wealthy, as they say. RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #38

This is cheap for nyc HipChick Mar 2013 #42

You're right. Her place is between the Upper East Side and the Battery Park area. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #50

No - it's not near Madison Square Garden leftynyc Mar 2013 #172

No, this is not cheap for New York City frazzled Mar 2013 #64

I could have beat them down to 10 million olddots Mar 2013 #44

Somehow, I can't account for one of the full baths. I see all the others. They may have bluestate10 Mar 2013 #58

There is a den` Ruby the Liberal Mar 2013 #249

Obscene panader0 Mar 2013 #47

Nice place DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #59

I bet you love rubbing this in DUers faces fascisthunter Mar 2013 #61

$10 an hour couldn't buy you a cardboard box in Manhattan. Initech Mar 2013 #63

10.5 million for your shelter... Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #69

hardly. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #80

6.5 bathrooms? Do the pets have personal potties? Zax2me Mar 2013 #77

5,000 sq ft? I hope she has a lot of time MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #79

She almost surely has hired house cleaners. People that buy those types of houses in NYC bluestate10 Mar 2013 #85

it does look gorgeous renate Mar 2013 #81

She pulled herself up by her bootstraps... kentuck Mar 2013 #91

lol Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #103

Are you forgetting leftynyc Mar 2013 #173

And their families' connections & status had nothing to do with their stations in life? n/t DotGone Mar 2013 #204

No more than anyone else leftynyc Mar 2013 #206

I used to be homeless. This week, I signed the papers for a small house. riqster Mar 2013 #92

Congratulations on your new home. May you have marybourg Mar 2013 #106

Thanks! riqster Mar 2013 #185

Actually, this, plus her being a hedge fund manager deflate any further interest in her.. MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #94

Her father -in-law is an outright crook kattycat Mar 2013 #182

Hey, he could be governor of Florida! MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #215

Like Zoidberg says: TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #99

According to Google Street View this is the building? Locut0s Mar 2013 #109

Good for them. flvegan Mar 2013 #111

unfortunately the word 'successful' has changed a lot lately. Whisp Mar 2013 #113

I like your jump from what you think are facts to opinion. flvegan Mar 2013 #115

Wall Street Mocks Protesters By Drinking Champagne 2011 Whisp Mar 2013 #116

Yeah, I don't envy people either who are successful in Cha Mar 2013 #114

chelsea clinton was successful in the sperm lottery. which made her successful in the marriage HiPointDem Mar 2013 #118

Rather sexist of you. Why not include the ovum, particularly as the mothers of both are quite msanthrope Mar 2013 #250

in this case it's the parents who are successful and were able to provide this to their daughter JI7 Mar 2013 #123

Well that at least has the benefit of symmetry, because they have the finger for you as well. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #134

+10.5 million. The ones in disagreement are just jealous graham4anything Mar 2013 #202

I pity this poor couple... DreamGypsy Mar 2013 #119

So, Chelsea Clinton and her husband can afford a $10.5 million apartment, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #137

Yay! The lives of the rich and powerful. MadHound Mar 2013 #171

Nicht schlecht! KansDem Mar 2013 #181

Those saying they "earned that" kattycat Mar 2013 #184

+++ Whisp Mar 2013 #199

Doesn't have the same zing if they say: "Marc and Chelsea Mezinsky buy 5,000 SF apartment on E. 26th KurtNYC Mar 2013 #193

$10.5 million has pretty much the same zing anywhere. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #210

It's her money...she can spend it however she likes. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #220

She could have done so much with her life tabasco Mar 2013 #238

By all appearences, she's *enjoying* her life. Good for her. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #244

My beef... Libertas1776 Mar 2013 #246

Are we supposed to hate all people with money? justiceischeap Mar 2013 #247