"Liberal believers are going to be the people who ultimately bring change to their own religions."

[Zorra]

80. "Change comes from within for those who are willing to take all the shit to get that change."

So true. I can't see hordes of furious, rabid LGBT and women storming the gates of the Vatican and forcing church leaders to stop their bullying anytime soon.

I think a lot us LGBT folks were waiting to hear this (I was) from DU Catholics over the last few days:

"Oh, no, we are so sorry about the new Pope, y'all...it wasn't our decision, and we'll try our best to make this right by you".

Although it somewhat dumped on those of us who had been fishing for such assurances, I was very happy when I read the subject line of the OP, it was the first acknowledgment that liberal DU Catholics were considering actively seeking to change their religion from within that I had seen.

I fully understand that, because Catholics are taught to believe that Catholicism is the only one true religion, that if they do not remain in the good graces of the Church, they will spend their eternal existence suffering and burning in a most horrible hell. Naturally, this must be very frightening if you truly believe what the Church teaches, so I can only imagine how scary and hard it must be for Catholics to even think about rebuking Church authorities, let alone break away from their church, and leaving their church in protest against the heinous proclamations and policies set forth by church leaders.

So, after finding out more information about Pope Francis I, I had come to the conclusion that the absolute atrocity of their church leaders choosing this politically deadly, undemocratic fascist as the leader of their Church must have temporarily sent liberal Catholics into shock. The allegations concerning his unconscionable betrayal of two liberal Jesuit priest/social workers, leading to their imprisonment and torture at the hands of fascists, totally sent me over the edge, and all I could feel for liberal Catholics after learning about that was compassion. Ouch.

Like you said, Bohunk68,

"Change comes from within for those who are willing to take all the shit to get that change."