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118. People who have been sexually abused thank you for your moral courage n/t

Reply to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 15, 2013, 08:33 PM

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"Liberal believers are going to be the people who ultimately bring change to their own religions." [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2013 OP

Live and let live. jsr Mar 2013 #1

Color preference is an opinion. sangsaran Mar 2013 #16

And anyone who descriminates against someone's religion needs to accept the consequences liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #17

Calling someone out on their crimes is not bullying. sangsaran Mar 2013 #20

It is bullying liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #21

Please don't draw false parallels. sangsaran Mar 2013 #26

Are you kidding me? Of course they do. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #27

Please reread my post. sangsaran Mar 2013 #31

you're sparcing things liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #32

Do you really not see the difference? sangsaran Mar 2013 #46

"Their crimes"? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #62

Because no other religion/belief system has ever done anything wrong. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #22

Religious belief? sangsaran Mar 2013 #24

The Extreme Left is often very hostile to organized religion. MicaelS Mar 2013 #29

You said it yourself. sangsaran Mar 2013 #39

So you don't support the United States government? YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #83

We now have an interfaith group that is a safe haven for members of all faiths. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #2

That is excellent WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #3

I know. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #5

+a zillion TDale313 Mar 2013 #28

I didn't know about the interfaith group liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #14

Nice! Union Scribe Mar 2013 #34

K&R. I'm with you. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #4

Saw that WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #6

Kick, kick and fuckin' rec!! intheflow Mar 2013 #7

Hmm, It's given us Mother Teresa.... MNBrewer Mar 2013 #106

Really? intheflow Mar 2013 #120

I completely disagree. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #8

Well I'm not going to take it easy on people who insist they know that the only way to bring liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #13

The ministers were the ones who bullied me. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #41

then you were certainly free to leave. That does not mean everyone has to leave. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #45

and you don't get to tell people not to tell people to leave MNBrewer Mar 2013 #72

I did not tell anyone else to leave. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #87

This is over simplistic black and white thinking treestar Mar 2013 #84

141,000 Yugos were sold in the United States snooper2 Mar 2013 #9

great post WilliamPitt. K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #10

I see very little "dumping on people" (except the Pope/s), but well-deserved Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #11

+ 1 jillion Apophis Mar 2013 #15

I am not RC but I have seen some people going overboard on this. hrmjustin Mar 2013 #79

YAY! Thank you. Zorra Mar 2013 #12

The anti catholic feelings here are shocking nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #18

Not that shocking to me... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #85

I know, I was just hopping we outgrew it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #86

I will confess... ReRe Mar 2013 #19

I've always been fascinated with the way Christianity got African Americans liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #23

Absolutely! ReRe Mar 2013 #25

Faith was all Viktor Frankl had jsr Mar 2013 #35

Easy WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #30

I've always been fascinated with the way in which African Americans intheflow Mar 2013 #75

There's fundamentalists of all colors... ReRe Mar 2013 #99

I don't understand this about black people in church. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #111

Thank you, ReRe, for that side discussion within this thread, and the others who have joined in We People Mar 2013 #56

Another thing we have to remember... ReRe Mar 2013 #57

I lose all respect for Christians when they start hating others. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #90

It sounds like you live near or among many of these... ReRe Mar 2013 #110

Yep. That is exactly why we have no real friends. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #113

Right. Liberals will be the change RobertEarl Mar 2013 #33

Bullying is a poor motivator liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #38

Thanks for your reply RobertEarl Mar 2013 #40

From what I've heard this is the guy to address those particular issues. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #43

Ahh, there it is RobertEarl Mar 2013 #47

you really think you have any influence on people by bullying them? liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #48

You said it RobertEarl Mar 2013 #50

Nobody is going to change their religion because of some bozo on the internet jsr Mar 2013 #42

you are exactly right. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #44

There's the problem right there RobertEarl Mar 2013 #51

Here is what amazes me. The religion is named after 'the Christ' who clearly told his followers Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #68

Catholicism is not a democracy Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #78

Excellent post BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #89

Great analysis. Picking the Pope is as secret as picking the premier of China. kwassa Mar 2013 #97

Kick! patrice Mar 2013 #36

Imagine for a minute that the cardinals had picked as Pope dsc Mar 2013 #37

oh, I've had it liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #49

You forgot one important factor in your thinly veiled condescension. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #53

Well the Irish Catholics in Boston have had well over a century now. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #52

Good on you Will for trying to reason with the unreasonable. But you are confronting the fascism Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #54

Yep. It's like accusing Texas Democrats of supporting Rick Perry jsr Mar 2013 #65

This is BULLSHIT RainDog Mar 2013 #94

There are all kinds of movements and tendencies within the Catholic church and other religious Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #100

so I take it you're backing away from your bullshit fascist claim, then? RainDog Mar 2013 #105

no I am not. backing away from anything. I am seeing exactly the same kind of brain dead vitriol Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #108

I don't think people here (most) are hostile toward Catholics RainDog Mar 2013 #109

Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic, stated the church should be charged with crimes against humanity RainDog Mar 2013 #114

there you go again launching into the same fascistic hateful brain dead vitriolic response Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #115

wow. RainDog Mar 2013 #116

good. this is getting boring Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #117

People who have been sexually abused thank you for your moral courage n/t RainDog Mar 2013 #118

oh for crying out loud! nobody is defending that - so cut the crap!! Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #119

I don't think that's true at all, especially in the case of the Catholic church. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #55

That goes with most any kind of reform. rucky Mar 2013 #58

Here is what Francis has said about my people seeking rights. Do you agree with him or not, Will? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #59

I do not agree with him WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #60

Thank you Will. I am a student of religions, have many dear Catholic friends and have many Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #70

The comparison between Phelps and the Catholic Church is unfair WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #77

Well MNBrewer Mar 2013 #104

... RainDog Mar 2013 #107

That IS a problem, and it should be 0% for all of it. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #112

Blue Northwest, a moment Bohunk68 Mar 2013 #67

Not to be rude or anything, but this is not news to me. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #71

Actually, the term 'degraded' wasn't Bohunk68 Mar 2013 #74

"Change comes from within for those who are willing to take all the shit to get that change." Zorra Mar 2013 #80

Well said, Will. Very well said. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #61

Catholic church is often about politics; an insidious and invasive and often intolerant politics bigtree Mar 2013 #63

Right. They don't operate in a vacuum. People are hurt by their policies. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #73

Liberalism has existed for centuries. Where is the change? dmallind Mar 2013 #64

Liberation Theology. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #66

I agree that shitting on fellow DUers is unproductive, but liberals won't change the churches. JVS Mar 2013 #69

It wasn't my Savior who instructed me to attend to the beam in my own eye first Fumesucker Mar 2013 #76

Nah, it's more fun to troll the forum with "religious people are stupid/brainwashed/etc" YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #81

Thank you! treestar Mar 2013 #82

Oh, sure, go ahead and let your guard down ... Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #88

rofl treestar Mar 2013 #96

Or not (r.e. ultimately bringing change to their own religions) DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #91

Honestly, no disrespect intended, I just don't get it. Evoman Mar 2013 #92

As far as I'm concerned anyone who belongs to a religion is complicit in the evil that they do. alarimer Mar 2013 #95

^ Exactly. ^ Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #98

I don't get it either. Apophis Mar 2013 #102

No, people leaving religion will ultimately bring change... MellowDem Mar 2013 #93

Liberal believers have changed many denominations, but they can't change the Catholic Church. kwassa Mar 2013 #101

well what can you say, some of us want to build a progressive majority which will NEVER happen and Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #103

Come on over to the discussion at the National Catholic Reporter. musette_sf Mar 2013 #121

Locking, despite my misgivings, as per the near unanimous vote of the gd hosts. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #122