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Bonobo

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Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:16 PM Mar 2013

The Face Slap – Our Unspoken Tolerance Of Violence and Sexism [View all]

This issue came up in the the multiple OPs on "benevolent sexism".

A poster told me the issues were unrelated but I strongly disagree. Both "benevolent sexism" and the "face slape acceptance" are based on the idea that women are the weaker sex that need to be coddled. Part of reclaiming equality and power involves assuming responsibility for one's actions. As such, the face slap and other forms of violence also need to be admitted as being the real thing -real violence.

I don't want to hear cries of "not equivalent" unless you are prepared to say that a slap or hit from a man is acceptable IF it is "not full strength".
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http://www.tanveernaseer.com/face-slap-violence-and-sexism/



Yesterday, I read the sad news report about the mother in Chile who in a fit of rage killed her daughter because she refused to do homework her teachers assigned her for the summer break. And while my reaction was probably pretty similar to everyone else’s upon reading this news, this story also got me thinking about an unrelated issue that we as a society continue to tolerate or at least see no harm in. As the title of this entry implies, I’m referring here to the face slap.

It’s a scene most of us have witnessed numerous times in both films and TV shows, and probably for some even in real life. A man and woman are talking about something and then we see the woman’s face contort into a look of anger, hurt or a combination of both. This is soon followed by the woman giving the man a hard slap across the face, often causing the man’s head to turn off to one side that demonstrates the power behind the hit. In dramatic works, it’s certainly an effective visual tool for the audience to appreciate the depth of anger and/or hurt the woman feels as a result of the man’s revelation. However, this physical move is not just limited to the dramatic realm as some vehicles even use this as a comedic device. After all, there’s nothing funnier that seeing a man getting walloped by a woman, especially an old lady, right?

And yet, I have to admit that thinking more about this subject, I can’t help but wonder why we accept women being able to express their emotions with physical violence, if not also why we find it funny in some cases when they do. As a society, we would never feel the same about men hitting women. Sure, the point can be made that a woman hitting a man in most cases won’t cause as much physical harm as a man hitting a woman. But really, is that how we should be quantifying what is violent? By how much physical injury we inflict on the opposing party? Besides, let’s be honest – hitting anyone on the face is going to hurt. If it didn’t, why would any woman bother to slap a man in the face as a means of demonstrating, if not reciprocating, their feelings of hurt and pain? So I don’t think anyone can dismiss slapping someone in the face as not being an act of physical violence. I assume we still collectively tolerate this double-standard because we still hold to that machismo notion that for someone to be a “real” man, he has to be able to take his lumps on the chin. That and because this behaviour is commonly viewed as being a reaction to the man committing a wrong against the woman and as such, he basically had it coming.

Of course, our own reaction to such a display doesn’t help as it’s akin to when we see a man walking down the street with a bouquet of flowers in hand – he’s bringing flowers to his wife/girlfriend because he must have done something wrong. We never question whether it is right for a woman to resort to violence as a means to express her feelings. Why is that? Why aren’t we more intolerant of this in demanding that women learn, as men are expected to, that when feeling such strong emotions as anger and hurt, violence is not the way to deal with it. This isn’t a question of whether the man “deserved it” or not – a concept that itself is a bit dangerous as it allows us to start excusing violence as a means to an end. Rather, it’s more about why we think a woman shouldn’t be expected to use self-restraint in how she reacts to her internal feelings. If a 9-year old girl can’t hit a boy for stealing her lunch, why should a 29-year old woman be allowed to hit a man for cheating on her? If anything, one would expect the female adult in this equation to be the one to act in a more mature fashion when it comes to dealing with their feelings. How odd that in reality, it’s the opposite that is true.

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I remember the lady who drowned her kids in the tub, many said it was the man's fault The Straight Story Mar 2013 #1
Are you talking about the Andrea Yeager case .... etherealtruth Mar 2013 #90
I have been here a long time The Straight Story Mar 2013 #91
There is some culpability of the "non'-mentally ill partner etherealtruth Mar 2013 #94
One example The Straight Story Mar 2013 #93
Actually, he was at fault for leaving her alone with the kids WolverineDG Mar 2013 #95
I don't even believe "women" can be spared in Texas etherealtruth Mar 2013 #106
Prosecutorial misconduct WolverineDG Mar 2013 #108
I’ve always hated frogmarch Mar 2013 #2
It will be interesting to see the (lack of) attention this OP gets. Bonobo Mar 2013 #3
not sure how much attention I will give you but Whisp Mar 2013 #4
I don't need your attention, thanks. Bonobo Mar 2013 #6
a very strange thing that you and I have not lived the same lives and seen the same things. Whisp Mar 2013 #8
Compared to the exact same level of force from a man. Bonobo Mar 2013 #9
that wasn't what I asked but Whisp Mar 2013 #12
"Dude", yes. Bonobo Mar 2013 #13
I don't think you understood my question, but that's okay, I know you have other things on your mind Whisp Mar 2013 #16
seem to have this clips right at hand olddots Mar 2013 #24
indeed In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #97
Radical feminists would not generally accept that it's possible for the motivations to be the same. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #21
I was slapped - really hard- in the face and not one person did a thing, everyone looked up and bettyellen Mar 2013 #30
I'm really sorry that happened to you. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #33
Thanks, I have no clue WTF that guy was meaning to do. If he thought he could charm or bully me bettyellen Mar 2013 #36
bettyellen. I am so sorry that happened to you! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #99
already answered. and will answer again. hitting another person is wrong and should warrant an seabeyond Mar 2013 #101
I have never heard or seen a woman slap a man outside the movies. DU Men- is this actually"a thing" bettyellen Mar 2013 #5
I have seen it. Bonobo Mar 2013 #7
Well, I've slapped many men on the back- while congratulating them. And I have seen a few parents of bettyellen Mar 2013 #10
A hard slap on the thighs? Sure they do. Bonobo Mar 2013 #11
Wow, that is a new one on me. It'll be interesting to read if this has happened to any DUers. bettyellen Mar 2013 #14
Likely that men wouldn't admit it often for a couple of reasons. Bonobo Mar 2013 #35
my only assumption is that the person (male or female) who hits is way out of control. bettyellen Mar 2013 #37
OK, I guess it is situational like most things. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #38
True, and I don't think I am in any way your average American woman. I am not nearly as genteel bettyellen Mar 2013 #44
really? you have seen slapping movies? Whisp Mar 2013 #20
You mad, bro? Bonobo Mar 2013 #31
aggression? no way. Whisp Mar 2013 #103
Not in my experience. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #45
sure sigmasix Mar 2013 #63
I'm very sorry for the way you have been treated. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #96
Well, I've never been slapped by a woman. MineralMan Mar 2013 #89
The last two sentences of this story did it in. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #15
LOL. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #34
+ 1 cali Mar 2013 #58
He put it up as flypaper. JTFrog Mar 2013 #86
I agree with this: In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #100
+1 treestar Mar 2013 #105
I have to admit that I've seen men get slapped before, hughee99 Mar 2013 #17
You're very honest. More so than others here. Bonobo Mar 2013 #32
Here's one thing you don't seem to understand, dear. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #53
Yes, the men always deserve it. Bonobo Mar 2013 #55
Christ on a crutch this is a dumb post Matariki Mar 2013 #75
^^^ In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #102
all abusers justify their abuse with 'they deserved it' fizzgig Mar 2013 #110
It seems to me a simple rule is hands to yourself unless it is conscentual dsc Mar 2013 #18
^^^ this ^^^ TDale313 Mar 2013 #29
It's mainly because women aren't physically strong or really violent LittleBlue Mar 2013 #19
My daughter slapped me olddots Mar 2013 #22
She needs to move. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #46
Setting aside the issue of fairness or equality... lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #23
what do you think of the Violence Against Women's Act? Do you think it's a sham? n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #25
15% of violent relationships are nonreciprocal male batterers. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #27
I've seen a few face slaps working in the bar. polly7 Mar 2013 #26
Somewhat off topic, but... PotatoChip Mar 2013 #109
in movies and TV there is a lot of punching hfojvt Mar 2013 #28
I will admit to having actually shoved a man's head through the wall beside my door. PDJane Mar 2013 #39
Die Hard just started on ActionMAX... snooper2 Mar 2013 #40
Relentlessly poked fun of by "Airplane" longship Mar 2013 #41
Nothing compared to these guys.... davidn3600 Mar 2013 #47
Men write the scripts, men produce the movies. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #42
This is important. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #48
So. Fucking. True. MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #51
It does not explain this video. Bonobo Mar 2013 #54
As long as it's a "garden variety" slap across the face... mwrguy Mar 2013 #43
Dear Bonoboo, I am really sorry you've been slappled. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #49
I have never been slapped. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #50
i'm sorry. I thought you had. But I am totally supportive of men creating Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #62
I was inspired to write this OP because of the "benevolent sexism" threads. Bonobo Mar 2013 #64
Oh yeah, that's the SAME thing as a beating. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #52
Never said it was. Bonobo Mar 2013 #56
A man slapping a woman is treated as nearly the same thing... Silent3 Mar 2013 #88
yeah, hitting people sucks. duh. But trying to compare as YOU often do cali Mar 2013 #57
I never did that, so you should have stopped at your first sentence. Bonobo Mar 2013 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author cali Mar 2013 #81
My apologies Bonobo Mar 2013 #82
Short answer... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #60
The issue goes hand in hand with "benevolent sexism". Bonobo Mar 2013 #61
I am familiar with the ongoing discussions that inspired this thread... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #67
Then your response is unnecessary. Bonobo Mar 2013 #69
Oh FFS. Nice answer. Violence is not justified, period. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #65
Women shouldn't hit men. Did you really need me to type that out? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #73
honestly, it sounds better. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #76
My apologies, I suppose I should have been more clear. Time for bed. n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #77
hey, no worries. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #78
I don't think it happens all that much in reality. It's a comedic shorthand (excuse the pun) Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #66
Hmmm, well the data on domestic abuse suggests there is more on the part of women. Bonobo Mar 2013 #68
I don't rightfully know other than what I've seen and experienced. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #70
If your partner slaps you, you are NOT in a healthy relationship Matariki Mar 2013 #71
I'm not sure counseling could overcome being slapped by a partner to be honest. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #72
You misread my post Matariki Mar 2013 #74
Ah alright sorry. Yeah I guess I just could never picture staying with someone who hit me. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #79
On the one hand DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #80
Bonobo, I started a thread about this some years ago. In films and on TV, raccoon Mar 2013 #83
It could be, it could be... Bonobo Mar 2013 #84
When a woman is violent with a man, it's treated as in independent incident... Silent3 Mar 2013 #85
I don't think people should hit other people. MadrasT Mar 2013 #87
men could slap women in movies under certain circumstances not that long ago arely staircase Mar 2013 #92
IIRC Aristotle mentions this in the poetics Recursion Mar 2013 #98
Does anyone really do this except on soap operas? treestar Mar 2013 #104
I am more shocked by adult doctors slapping newborn children on the buttocks geek tragedy Mar 2013 #107
I was slapped in the face once as a child from a woman who was caring for me liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #111
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