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140. Actually doctrinially I am completely right

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 05:51 AM

Mar 2013

Again I will state the difference between A Catholic Church and THE Catholic Church. Doctrine is made by THE Catholic Church and THE Catholic Church has made only ONE doctrinal statement on evolution and it is that it is POSSIBLE, though not affirmed, and that it must be god-started.

And believing in evolution does not require one to be an atheist. I have never said it does. However, as the Church's position is that evolution is guided by god, there is no scientific basis for that assumption. You can believe it all you want, but there is no scientific basis for that belief. It is... a belief.

And I went to Catholic schools in the 90's and yes it was taught there or omitted entirely. And yes, to a person, any teacher at those schools would suggest that god created the world in six days and that man didn't "come from monkeys". But, again this is not my point, my point is regarding Papal Edict. And there was only one describing evolution. It was from 1950. And it said exactly what I said above.

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To the DU Catholics [View all] JanMichael Mar 2013 OP

Do you reperesent all ignorant bigots, or just you? Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #1

We took a vote, and we named Jan Michael as our spokesman. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #2

lol! Marrah_G Mar 2013 #23

That would explain the purple smoke from the DU chimney. n/t Ian David Mar 2013 #26

ha Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #115

"Ignorant bigots?" HuckleB Mar 2013 #14

The day you feed, clothe, and attend to as many poor... Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #21

The Catholic does more damage to the poor than it does good. HuckleB Mar 2013 #33

We'd see this many tantrums no matter who was elected, anyway Posteritatis Mar 2013 #37

Would those be the same poor... Cerridwen Mar 2013 #45

+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #76

Yup. HuckleB Mar 2013 #81

How did the church prevent YOU from providing Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #86

Are you serious? Fearless Mar 2013 #87

Clearly what is stopping you is a clue. Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #88

Really? Fearless Mar 2013 #89

I live in the liberal church that formed the beliefs of our president. Swamp Lover Mar 2013 #90

There is a difference between Fearless Mar 2013 #91

"Fearless" TommyCelt Mar 2013 #106

It would take Catholicism to suggest that judging others Fearless Mar 2013 #127

So make up your mind... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #150

Judging and unconditional love are not mutually exclusive Fearless Mar 2013 #157

Check post #89 nt TommyCelt Mar 2013 #158

I think you missed some of your science classes Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #117

It does not doctrinially believe in evolution. Fearless Mar 2013 #126

Do you know of any religion which "doctrinally" believes in evolution? whathehell Mar 2013 #176

Again I'm not talking about other religions Fearless Mar 2013 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Mar 2013 #182

Whatever, Ignore whathehell Mar 2013 #183

The Catholic Church Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #116

Really the church isn't anti-condom now? Fearless Mar 2013 #125

I didn't say you were wrong Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #143

Excuse me, but the Catholic Church does NOT deny evolution and doesn't teach "intelligent design" whathehell Mar 2013 #128

Wrong. Fearless Mar 2013 #129

Right, on both counts. whathehell Mar 2013 #139

Actually doctrinially I am completely right Fearless Mar 2013 #140

Okay, so you're finding fault with the fact that a religion believes there's a "god" in the equation whathehell Mar 2013 #162

I am finding fault with the issues brought up in the OP. Fearless Mar 2013 #163

Uh huh whathehell Mar 2013 #173

The Church condoned slavery for generations Fearless Mar 2013 #174

Again, can you show me the quote in which the Catholic Church "condones" slavery? whathehell Mar 2013 #175

Here are some quotes from the Bible condoning slavery... Fearless Mar 2013 #179

The Bible is embraced by ALL Christians, & parts by Jews, so how can you single out Catholics? whathehell Mar 2013 #180

I can single out Catholics? Fearless Mar 2013 #181

all those are provided with the taxes I pay lame54 Mar 2013 #101

Do you understand the word "systemic"? Cerridwen Mar 2013 #124

Catholic Church, no problem... the Papacy and Vatican... MrMickeysMom Mar 2013 #85

do you even realize AT ALL Skittles Mar 2013 #131

the day you get a sense of humor olddots Mar 2013 #133

The Catholic 'church' MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #138

The American taxpayer pays for most of the Catholic Charities budget: Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #148

why on earth should we celebrate coronation of an absolute monarchy? Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #177

What can I say? I'm bigoted against bigots. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #18

Great song. But why use it to bash fellow DU members? pinto Mar 2013 #3

I wasn't bashing JanMichael Mar 2013 #4

Meet the new Pope. HuckleB Mar 2013 #15

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No. I am am not going to congratulate JanMichael Mar 2013 #7

the point is BainsBane Mar 2013 #8

Skinner posted that before JanMichael Mar 2013 #9

I can't see what difference that makes BainsBane Mar 2013 #10

Do you understand the significance of you wanting JanMichael Mar 2013 #11

I don't want congratulations BainsBane Mar 2013 #22

I'm not a Catholic either Summer Hathaway Mar 2013 #27

Thanks for that, BB Hekate Mar 2013 #79

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I approve this message Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #118

Nobody who could get the office is going to be in favor of gay rights treestar Mar 2013 #62

Sorry, but we should be talking about the ridiculous press coverage of this "event." HuckleB Mar 2013 #16

Thank you JanMichael Mar 2013 #17

+1 HuckleB Mar 2013 #19

"hate the leadership of that church"-- corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #112

Are you accusing Skinner of kowtowing to bigotry? BainsBane Mar 2013 #24

No one, except you, has made this JanMichael Mar 2013 #32

of course BainsBane Mar 2013 #38

I never said he was stupid. I suspect he knew the difference JanMichael Mar 2013 #46

"Respect" doesn't mean failing to call an institution that is failing humanity for what it is. HuckleB Mar 2013 #34

I never suggested you shouldn't. BainsBane Mar 2013 #39

Hogwash. HuckleB Mar 2013 #41

You can read, or not BainsBane Mar 2013 #43

I read just fine. HuckleB Mar 2013 #44

the poster you JanMichael Mar 2013 #47

my BainsBane Mar 2013 #51

Why are you here? HuckleB Mar 2013 #56

I entered this thread because I don't like bigotry BainsBane Mar 2013 #58

It's funny. HuckleB Mar 2013 #52

Yes, but I acknowledged my error BainsBane Mar 2013 #72

I haven't made an error. HuckleB Mar 2013 #80

Ha! Brickbat Mar 2013 #6

4-2 to leave Go Vols Mar 2013 #12

Heh JanMichael Mar 2013 #13

Some prescient quotes from MLK. HuckleB Mar 2013 #20

Edited for misreading BainsBane Mar 2013 #49

Someone can't read. HuckleB Mar 2013 #50

You cited Luther BainsBane Mar 2013 #53

No, I didn't. HuckleB Mar 2013 #54

You're right BainsBane Mar 2013 #55

It's about time. HuckleB Mar 2013 #57

but you also misread my post BainsBane Mar 2013 #60

I did not misread your post. HuckleB Mar 2013 #82

It's not deception BainsBane Mar 2013 #83

Nope. HuckleB Mar 2013 #92

Something you have steadfastly refused to do BainsBane Mar 2013 #94

Your response makes no sense. HuckleB Mar 2013 #102

There is nothing dishonest about what I have said BainsBane Mar 2013 #119

THIS you have to see! BainsBane Mar 2013 #25

Meet the new boss......WORSE than the old boss! nt rdharma Mar 2013 #28

+1 HuckleB Mar 2013 #35

I'm sure you're very sorry. How mature. gateley Mar 2013 #29

Bizarrely inappropriate song. Being fooled is their reason and justification for living. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #30

It sounds like I am reading a repub section, This is not what DU should do. If you do not Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #31

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I see O'Shaughnessy has already had to retract a glaringly inaccurate claim in the original version struggle4progress Mar 2013 #132

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks guardian Mar 2013 #59

No, Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #63

Very inclusive guardian Mar 2013 #66

It's for my own good. Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #74

So which isn't fucked up? BainsBane Mar 2013 #64

I don't have a dog in this fight guardian Mar 2013 #68

I think most are fucked up in one way or another BainsBane Mar 2013 #69

I'll agree with that. guardian Mar 2013 #70

that may be an exception BainsBane Mar 2013 #71

I agree with that too. guardian Mar 2013 #73

Perhaps I misunderstood you BainsBane Mar 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #61

I wish I could disagree BainsBane Mar 2013 #65

I have no dog in this fight, blue neen Mar 2013 #67

Im with ya on that ... Trajan Mar 2013 #77

Yet another entry in today's Ledger of Lame BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #78

Singling out a group of board members for ridicule makes DU suck. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #84

To you, and others who think this is too disrepectful: muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #95

You're comparing insults leveled at elected officials and governmental departments WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #96

It's no more 'insulting the faith' than those others were 'insulting the USA' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #97

On this, we disagree. n/t WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #98

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No disagreement. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #111

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This post is aimed at the hierarchy of that religion. HuckleB Mar 2013 #105

Catholicism is not a democracy Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #137

I wasn't ridiculing anyone. I was/am JanMichael Mar 2013 #121

Yes you were. It was the intent of your OP. cordelia Mar 2013 #141

Who knew DU had mind readers? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #142

Thank you JanMichael Mar 2013 #144

Didn't take mind reading abilities to see exactly what cordelia Mar 2013 #146

Wrong JanMichael Mar 2013 #147

Right cordelia Mar 2013 #169

One doesn't fight bigotry with more bigotry.... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #99

How does this Who song count as bigotry? HuckleB Mar 2013 #104

It applies to the ugly comments, such as many of your own the thread has elicited. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #107

Did you read what I wrote? JanMichael Mar 2013 #122

Yes and I concur with Skinner.. hlthe2b Mar 2013 #136

Great song. TommyCelt Mar 2013 #108

never posted on HuffPo JanMichael Mar 2013 #149

The Who lyrics TommyCelt Mar 2013 #153

OK...I don't read that site unless JanMichael Mar 2013 #154

As a former Catholic with 12 years of Catholic school HockeyMom Mar 2013 #109

Exactly JanMichael Mar 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #113

K&R MellowDem Mar 2013 #114

see this BainsBane Mar 2013 #120

Obviously the fragile don't get your post BellaLuna Mar 2013 #130

So, you apparently are including our Admins--specifically Skinner in your "fragile" assessment... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #135

I read what Skinner wrote JanMichael Mar 2013 #145

I can't disagree with Skinner? BellaLuna Mar 2013 #155

It is ugly denunciation of DU Catholics, rather than criticism of the hiearchy that is going on here hlthe2b Mar 2013 #159

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BellaLuna Mar 2013 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Mar 2013 #167

Since we're talking music, here's a tune the new Pope should listen to... backscatter712 Mar 2013 #134

I'm not religious and don't view organized religions favorably, but I would never gateley Mar 2013 #151

wrong. I did NOT dismiss anyone's belief system. JanMichael Mar 2013 #152

but but but... it's so much more fun to be outraged! BellaLuna Mar 2013 #156

It's OK, Bella....let it go. If you want some "fun" JanMichael Mar 2013 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author datasuspect Mar 2013 #166

I requested this be locked. To some of the responders JanMichael Mar 2013 #161

You are the OP. Why not just hit the self-delete button at the bottom left corner of your OP. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #168

I wish I could rec Skinner's reply to that request pintobean Mar 2013 #171

Wanted to let you know ..... unapatriciated Mar 2013 #170

Interesting JanMichael Mar 2013 #172