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randome

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75. To be honest...

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:09 PM

Feb 2012

...I haven't seen much about this outside DU. But then I don't really watch the news.

But the flag burning was just the encore to the entire 'taking over a public building' part of that day. Neither of these events did anything to help promote economic justice. They were both a waste of time and got some people injured. Time and energy was squandered.

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Why Flag-Burning Bodes Ill for OWS [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 OP

I'm all for burning the flag to make a statement, when appropriate. randome Feb 2012 #1

Flag burning is the message. To its own end. morningfog Feb 2012 #16

"Burn, baby, burn!" randome Feb 2012 #18

One flag was lit and sparked thousands of conversations. morningfog Feb 2012 #25

Thousands of conversations mostly about how wrong Occupy was. TheWraith Feb 2012 #33

Conversations with many sides. morningfog Feb 2012 #41

Good luck with that in the real world. TheWraith Feb 2012 #99

We don't need to be schooled on what freedom of speech means. randome Feb 2012 #35

Hunkering down gets you easily ignored. morningfog Feb 2012 #39

Yes, we can tell them how to protest. randome Feb 2012 #43

Do you go to general assembly meetings? morningfog Feb 2012 #44

No, I don't. randome Feb 2012 #60

If you don't like what they are doing but feel they represent you morningfog Feb 2012 #78

Elected officials have actual legislative capability backed by the power of government Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #91

In that case, they should be of no concern to you. morningfog Feb 2012 #94

Except their dragging down progressive ideals with them. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #96

Don't forget the self aggrandizement and sense of entitlement. TheWraith Feb 2012 #101

Yes, but the people -- we're told -- are too stupid to think for themselves. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #109

That's okay, the remaining 30 million will pull your weight. eom tledford Feb 2012 #112

if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao...... arely staircase Feb 2012 #125

One instance of a burned flag can completely discredit an entire movement. onehandle Feb 2012 #2

Best post so far on the subject... SidDithers Feb 2012 #3

i think a good many on DU are conservative, conventional, status quo supporting folks. xchrom Feb 2012 #4

Actually, there's pretty much nobody like that here. TheWraith Feb 2012 #7

Burning a flag is "burning down the world?" morningfog Feb 2012 #17

I was referring to equating DUers who don't meet the radical purity test with conservatives. TheWraith Feb 2012 #38

You are far, far too Johnson20 Feb 2012 #46

So which one are you? Rex Feb 2012 #134

Assuming you're correct Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #9

Purity and self-righteousness is all that matters nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #10

i think that ows isn't trying to impose anything more radical that what the civil rights movement xchrom Feb 2012 #11

I don't remember Rev. King burning flags Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #13

just asking for = caused a societal gasp -- not unlike the pearl clutching going xchrom Feb 2012 #14

You seem more intent on silly stunts even if it hurts the actual cause Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #24

WTF? Now talk about silly...nt xchrom Feb 2012 #27

Good grief. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #34

as if you had said anything complex...oh yes i get it. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #40

Dismissiveness seems to act as a roundabout concession Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #49

i can't relate to your 'offended' thing -- burning the flag is pretty tried and true xchrom Feb 2012 #65

Didn't work, did it? randome Feb 2012 #69

it worked fine to me. xchrom Feb 2012 #70

Yep, that's my goal. randome Feb 2012 #72

You're speaking from within your own hive. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #76

and you aren't speaking from within your own hive? xchrom Feb 2012 #77

False dichotomy Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #82

Do NOT dishonor the work of King by comparing nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #20

oy xchrom Feb 2012 #21

I think the eye rolling nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #29

Very, very well said. TheWraith Feb 2012 #5

It's also the PERFECT disruption by instigators izquierdista Feb 2012 #6

+1 cbayer Feb 2012 #26

So if flag-burning is being exploited for anti-OWS purposes Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #31

i suggested this in another thread and was accused of being a tinfoil hat wearer. nt arely staircase Feb 2012 #126

The GOP got into a snit about it a couple of years ahead of the run-up to the last election. MADem Feb 2012 #128

Thank you. Well said. MineralMan Feb 2012 #8

One of the things that I've observed Mz Pip Feb 2012 #12

I like the idea of calling the bankers to account. I like the idea of focusing on social justice MADem Feb 2012 #15

+10 MineralMan Feb 2012 #19

+1 Veruca Salt Feb 2012 #32

These are different times. morningfog Feb 2012 #36

I agree Mz Pip Feb 2012 #50

Very well said. HappyMe Feb 2012 #22

Start handing these out. trumad Feb 2012 #23

If you don't have a valid criticism there's no shame in admitting it. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #28

Ah, the pearl-clutching meme. MineralMan Feb 2012 #30

OK I'll write... trumad Feb 2012 #87

You can write as much as you like. MineralMan Feb 2012 #89

It's the broad brushers that I'm going after. trumad Feb 2012 #97

Perfect! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #54

Sit-ins and strikes are inconvenient. Women should forego abortions because they offend people. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #37

Try again. Maybe you can come up with an actual analogy. TheWraith Feb 2012 #42

Your "concern" is noted whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #48

How do you win over a broader segment of society by displays intended to offend that very group? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #53

News Flash whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #59

A 'war' fought in public buildings and parks. randome Feb 2012 #62

Ha, where else? whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #63

No one is saying 'don't protest'. randome Feb 2012 #66

"IMO it's a war" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #64

This is going nowhere whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #71

To be honest... randome Feb 2012 #75

Do you actually want to succeed at something or is this just an exercise in alienating people? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #45

The only ones I'm seeing offended and and referring to "stupid kids" are the alleged allies of OWS. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #51

It is stupid and juvenile. Even if they have gray hair. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #58

Suffragettes went around with hammers breaking rich peoples' windows. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #113

Then don't howl when you're ever on the receiving end Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #115

I've been on the receiving end from the establishment. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #117

Nice post! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #47

Flag burning only bother conservatives, who are hostile to OWS regardless. Romulox Feb 2012 #52

Exactly, on both points. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #56

+2 nt xchrom Feb 2012 #67

There are these people called "moderates" maybe you've heard of them. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #68

"Don't believe me? Look at DU." Union Scribe Feb 2012 #55

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #57

And people who are genuinely concerned about progressive ideals Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #61

if so many "want" to burn flags, how come only this 1 incident was reported librechik Feb 2012 #84

This 1 incident, at least as far as my OP goes Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #86

Who Determined It Is Decidedly Bad PR? HangOnKids Feb 2012 #92

Decider? Absolutely not. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #93

Wow Talk About Vapid Generalizations HangOnKids Feb 2012 #102

It just gets weirder Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #104

you seem to be implying a trend or a "want"--can you list more OWS flag burnings for us? librechik Feb 2012 #95

Polls are useless. People only accept the ones that agree with them. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #98

I think middle America doesn't like OWS anyway. Nothing OWS could do or say would change that librechik Feb 2012 #103

I'm sorry, I don't equate middle America with iron-hard RW partisan Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #105

lol--you're good--utter denial is a winning tactic when you have nothing. librechik Feb 2012 #106

Isn't the wholly unfounded "agent provacateur" excuse the denialism you speak of? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #107

I said "You win" Isn't that enough? librechik Feb 2012 #110

Conservatives of all stripes hate the movement, Democratic cons maybe even more so Dragonfli Feb 2012 #121

luv u for this post librechik Feb 2012 #123

That sums it up Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #74

Concern trolls. We've got 'em n/t pa28 Feb 2012 #122

Yeah there is that. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #127

lol it will be forgotten in a weeks time joshcryer Feb 2012 #73

"bank on it" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #79

Flag burning Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #80

"Your agenda is well documented for many months on this board. " Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #83

Psst! I think they're on to us. randome Feb 2012 #81

Great OP. Those who don't get it , probably never will. nt sufrommich Feb 2012 #85

Oh we get it... trumad Feb 2012 #88

Apparently that's where the cogent rebuttals are kept too. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #90

I already gave my rebuttal... trumad Feb 2012 #100

Let me guess: you're with the PR and marketing department Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #108

PR and marketing department of OWS? trumad Feb 2012 #114

I see nothing wrong with constructive criticism Mz Pip Feb 2012 #111

because it is a broad brush of the movement. trumad Feb 2012 #118

Is every criticism that it was a bad idea redqueen Feb 2012 #119

Excellent OP! Summer Hathaway Feb 2012 #116

If you were more interested in social justice than gotcha, this thread would be about EFerrari Feb 2012 #120

If flag-burners were interested in social justice Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #131

Flag burning is boring. wildeyed Feb 2012 #124

Raising flag burning beyond its import is a tactic designed to smear. Bonobo Feb 2012 #129

Let me see if I get this straight Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #130

Actually you don't have it and I am not sure you are capable of "getting it". nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #132

It makes it easy for wingnuts Chill Keney Feb 2012 #133

I doubt it. Rex Feb 2012 #135