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Squinch

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137. By the same token, if some women don't appreciate having doors held for them simply because

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 08:53 PM

Mar 2013

they are women, and that pisses somebody off, so be that too.

What is the big freaking deal?

Why the outrage that some women disagree with you about the meaning of holding doors?

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If you're unsure why benevolent sexism is worth discussing,Google 'benevolent sexism victim blaming' [View all] redqueen Mar 2013 OP

This is coming directly from the holding doors open discussion? Right? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #1

No, from the benevolent sexism discussion. redqueen Mar 2013 #2

Sorry. I saw a lot of "benevolent sexism" mentioned in the "door opening" threads. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #6

So if it's throwing feces, you're all in.. but if it's something serious redqueen Mar 2013 #9

So feisty! Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #12

Why would anyone alert on your post? redqueen Mar 2013 #15

You seem so outraged by all this! Squinch Mar 2013 #135

Different definitions of seriousness apply I think... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #32

"a subconscious urge to subjugate women" does not qualify as serious?? pleae tell me you forgot niyad Mar 2013 #153

i love it when you talk dirty datasuspect Mar 2013 #125

You know, there's a difference between fighting for a cause, and fighting just because. n/t Ian David Mar 2013 #156

no, you saw a lot of "door opening" remarks in the benevolent sexism threads, but, hey, niyad Mar 2013 #10

meh. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #14

You asked redqueen no questions based in reality. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #18

still smarting, are you? Whisp Mar 2013 #19

as are mine, so thanks. niyad Mar 2013 #20

yes. because you men created a manufactured argument to become the victims, being picked on by seabeyond Mar 2013 #28

It's not just the door treestar Mar 2013 #147

This is why I like to stand with my hands on my hips in front of glass doors at the mall.... Ian David Mar 2013 #157

Kick it up a notch. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #158

And then are you supposed to look confused, like you can't understand why the door won't open? n/t Ian David Mar 2013 #177

You've done this before! Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #178

How do you..... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #3

Ok. Noted. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #8

believe me, it is for some posters. niyad Mar 2013 #13

go easy on the straw, man fishwax Mar 2013 #4

You shouldn't open doors. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #47

Novel idea. I'll give it some thought. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #150

... babylonsister Mar 2013 #152

k and r and thank you for shedding light on a very serious issue. niyad Mar 2013 #5

It has to be intentional. redqueen Mar 2013 #11

Wow, another thread on this? Apophis Mar 2013 #7

nobody is forcing you to read threads you find redundant, or useless, or uninteresting. niyad Mar 2013 #17

A least it's all of those things you listed. That makes is interesting. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #164

You can never have enough threads on the same subject submitted by the same person. Never. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #26

ah, cause 10 Ops about doors. but, wtf, right? nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #39

Even when the subject is doors? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #62

Maybe it's a door fetish thing. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #165

why, isnt it a bummer us women having to continually address these stupid lies the men are putting seabeyond Mar 2013 #30

Um kick any 100 of the other treads on this topic. Apophis Mar 2013 #40

There is only one other OP about this topic. All the rest are about opening doors... Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #42

Exactly. redqueen Mar 2013 #43

"Some," as in you? Apophis Mar 2013 #61

Could you point me to the actual discussion? I am being sincere here... Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #69

Post 31 in this very thread, for example. Apophis Mar 2013 #81

The "drama" is people side-tracking and trivializing the topic of the OP. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #92

I never claimed the OP was another "stupid door opening thread". Apophis Mar 2013 #95

Okay. So where are the 100 of other OPs on THIS topic that we should Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #98

... Apophis Mar 2013 #99

No. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #102

This entire thread is theKed Mar 2013 #116

Seriously, Redqueen, this issue started downhill... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #70

no. it started downhill when a number of men refused to read a definition of benevolent sexism and seabeyond Mar 2013 #72

That never happened. redqueen Mar 2013 #75

Post that same blurb all you like... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #77

Someone told you what? redqueen Mar 2013 #93

Link NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #96

You misread or mischaracterized his statement. Which is it? redqueen Mar 2013 #97

Actually, you are right about one thing... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #106

By the same token, if some women don't appreciate having doors held for them simply because Squinch Mar 2013 #137

Nothing about door there treestar Mar 2013 #149

Nope, it started with this.. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #82

Please re-read from post to which you replied. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #89

bumper crop of straw this year MattBaggins Mar 2013 #74

It's the flavor of the day. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #55

yes, a gang of men presenting misogyny is a walk in the park. women know this well. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #66

Wow...I don't even know what to make of that one. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #73

when men purposely tell lies repeatedly saying feminists are outraged and picking on them, making seabeyond Mar 2013 #76

Okie dokie, then. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #85

It is continually and on many threads treestar Mar 2013 #146

I'll put it on the list quinnox Mar 2013 #16

You care that little about the ideas which fuel rape culture. redqueen Mar 2013 #21

Holding doors open for women = Steubenville rapes Major Nikon Mar 2013 #22

You are obviously intentionally twisting words in order to dismiss feminist issues. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #23

Maybe not. Maybe he just saw the same bullshit I saw and is calling it. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #27

See post 25. It's telling that you're all in to mock and trivialize, redqueen Mar 2013 #29

Naturally you would never twist anyone's words around Major Nikon Mar 2013 #38

exactly, lol quinnox Mar 2013 #83

again. manufacturing a lie to dismiss real issues. ya, i get it. you think it is funny and would seabeyond Mar 2013 #33

The irony is getting pretty thick here Major Nikon Mar 2013 #34

That one rejects "no means no" so not a person with credibility on the geek tragedy Mar 2013 #118

It's a slippery Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #160

oh boy quinnox Mar 2013 #24

People who score high in benevolent sexism place less blame on rapists redqueen Mar 2013 #25

Why should that surprise anyone? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #36

Who's surprised? Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #44

Good question Major Nikon Mar 2013 #52

"barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" are not examples of benevolent sexism. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #54

That's exactly what benevolent sexism is Major Nikon Mar 2013 #114

Benevolent sexism allows for women in the workplace. Hostile sexism, such as Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #115

Both happen inside and outside the workplace Major Nikon Mar 2013 #117

Since people are mocking the idea of benevolent sexism, by throwing feces in threads about doors, redqueen Mar 2013 #49

"ties into" can be a very misleading statement Major Nikon Mar 2013 #80

Did you read any of the studies which indicate that that is exactly the case? redqueen Mar 2013 #84

No, and I suspect none such studies exist Major Nikon Mar 2013 #104

yes, being uninformed and uneducated, refusing facts is so.... oh what, fox like? and being proud seabeyond Mar 2013 #35

Seems to be plenty of educators around here to set us all straight Major Nikon Mar 2013 #41

no. all you men are doing is contaminating the subject enough to make it about doors. OP after OP seabeyond Mar 2013 #57

Well it's certainly true that anyone who disagrees with a self-described feminist is a misogynist Major Nikon Mar 2013 #86

"All you men are doing..." NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #121

please then, continue with the "edumacation" quinnox Mar 2013 #88

Question to you, are you offended when a man holds a door open for you? yes/no? Logical Mar 2013 #79

Really? Doors? Still? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #87

Yes, simple question. Even for you. Does it offend you? n-t Logical Mar 2013 #90

It's not about fucking doors. The people here who are trying to discuss benevolent sexism Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #94

You keep posting that same piece... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #123

That it. I refuse to hold doors open for women anymore. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #167

some interesting stuff at those links, redqueen. Thanks Whisp Mar 2013 #31

Thanks... redqueen Mar 2013 #65

I don't think that a lot of people get that this isn't about opening doors cali Mar 2013 #37

that's why they refuse to go further into the debate with any seriousness. Whisp Mar 2013 #45

people are being assholes, it has reached the level i thought was only possible with wingnuts JI7 Mar 2013 #162

Down with Chivalry!! Who would have survived the Titanic in such an age? MjolnirTime Mar 2013 #46

Probably the people who jumped in lifeboats and rowed like hell. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #50

another post of dishonesty to contaminate a subject and make men victims. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #60

Do we really theKed Mar 2013 #48

There are only TWO threads about benevolent sexism. The rest are about opening doors. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #56

Like I said... theKed Mar 2013 #58

since men are once again contaminating the subject with doors to shut women up and become victims... seabeyond Mar 2013 #63

Those darn men! theKed Mar 2013 #103

If two threads about a topic is burdensome for you, there is a little x next to the title. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #67

There are (last time I looked anyways) theKed Mar 2013 #101

There are two original posts about benevolent sexism. ALL the rest are about straw... Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #105

None of what I said was false theKed Mar 2013 #108

Clicked on your links, still don't think it's a big deal LittleBlue Mar 2013 #51

Kind of what I thought. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #59

and still not the issue. but then, consistently you do not have an issue with any sexism, so seabeyond Mar 2013 #68

I don't have an issue with the outrage du jour. LittleBlue Mar 2013 #91

I think it's entirely plausible to believe DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #53

Thumbs up. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #64

and what about the upward 10 Ops making this about a damn door when we have repeatedly said it is seabeyond Mar 2013 #71

I'm not going to swim in all this, no DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #78

Do you realize that you're the one who keeps bringing up the door in this thread? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #122

these kinds of posts are an affront to true feminism. datasuspect Mar 2013 #127

and what, exactly, is "true feminism"? niyad Mar 2013 #143

the opposite of carciature feminism datasuspect Mar 2013 #148

having never heard of either "cartoon feminism" or "troll feminism", do, please, elucidate. niyad Mar 2013 #151

lol Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #107

Neither you nor the other poster DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #109

Oh, I caught that alright. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #111

+ a million Apophis Mar 2013 #113

You're bucking a coalition here RQ lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #100

I for one have taken sharp_stick Mar 2013 #110

Good for you! NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #120

"Benevolent sexism ..." chervilant Mar 2013 #112

Hatred of men is misandry - eom dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #128

I never knew. chervilant Mar 2013 #139

Yawn RetroLounge Mar 2013 #119

Ambivalent Sexism survey klook Mar 2013 #124

Thanks for the links! Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #129

Interesting Orrex Mar 2013 #140

do you hear that? datasuspect Mar 2013 #126

you keep telling yourself that, sweetie. most of us know that simply is not the case. niyad Mar 2013 #130

Would you be offended if someone called you "sweetie"? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #131

depends on who, and why. but seriously, that is the best you can come up with? niyad Mar 2013 #132

No, it just sort of jumped out at me. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #133

right-o jiggles, datasuspect Mar 2013 #134

oh my, such a little word to cause such reactions. . apparently a case of "you can dish it out. . niyad Mar 2013 #141

cool post bro datasuspect Mar 2013 #142

remdi95 niyad Mar 2013 #145

ooooh, what's that? A little google nugget, perhaps? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #166

Would you consider "men will kill each other and everyone" to be a bigoted statement? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #136

"The beatings will continue until morale improves" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #138

It is certainly worth discussing... dogknob Mar 2013 #144

What the fuck ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #154

Rawr! dogknob Mar 2013 #159

Well, if it's in a book... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #179

This is why I ALWAYS leave the toilet seat up. So I'm not benevolently sexist. Ian David Mar 2013 #155

Ew, dude ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #163

I go a step further and leave the seat down and just piss on it. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #170

you too, eh? d_b Mar 2013 #180

Exactly! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #181

It's obvious who doesn't care. JTFrog Mar 2013 #161

Yeah, you'd think someone on DU was linking to a blogger who advocates gender-based baby starving. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #168

Oh, look, here comes one now. n/t JTFrog Mar 2013 #169

here comes one what? A blogger who advocates starving babies on the basis of gender? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #171

GFY. JTFrog Mar 2013 #172

Grand Forks Yountville? Grievously Ferocious Yodeling? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #173

Good For You. JTFrog Mar 2013 #174

Okay, Okay. "My Hovercraft Is Full Of Eels" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #175

GFY? Official music video Kenelis 'GFY' (Radio Edit) Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #176