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xchrom

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Wed Feb 1, 2012, 01:44 PM Feb 2012

you're 'concerned' about flag burning -- this is what you should be 'concerned' about [View all]

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/americas/2012/01/30/homeless-cat-empires-hat


Phillip 'The Cat In The Hat' Black sells newspapers in Washington

"I know them all. This one on the wheelchair, with everybody around her. She sells heroin. That guy who’s looking at you like that - he’s high on crack. Don't take a picture of him or you might not get home to your daughters alive."

I first met Phillip Black on a corner of cosmopolitan F Street in Washington, a few stops away from Ford’s Theatre, where Abraham Lincoln was shot, and almost within earshot of the White House.

Surrounded by shops selling frozen yoghurt, organic gourmet sandwiches and trendy clothes, Phillip sells copies of Street Sense, a newspaper sold, and written by, the homeless.

If a customer pays the recommended donation price of $1 per copy, Phillip makes 65 cents per paper.






Incarceration in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

Incarceration in the United States is one of the main forms of punishment and/or rehabilitation for the commission of felony and other offenses. The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. At year-end 2009 it was 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population.[4][5][6][7][8]

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009 — about 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[4][5][9][10] Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or on parole.[4] In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[3][4][11] In addition, there were 86,927 juveniles in juvenile detention in 2007.[12][13]



long term unemployment
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/01/06/the-many-the-doomed-the-long-term-unemployed

According to the December jobs report, there are nearly 5.6 million people in the U.S. who have been unemployed for six months or more—42.5 percent of all unemployed Americans. Labor Department data shows them to be disproportionately black and Asian. They are slightly more likely to be men than women. They are not as well-educated as their more successful counterparts in the labor force. And the recovery is not benefiting them the same way that it is benefiting other laid-off Americans.

[See why there's hope for the economy in 2012.]

The unemployed population can be roughly split into two camps, says Stephen Rose, senior economist at Georgetown Unviersity's Center on Education and the Workforce: "There are cyclers—those who are there relatively short periods of time, and there's the long-term, who are there year in, year out." The "cyclers" make up a majority of the unemployed population, he says, but the long-term unemployed face a tougher challenge.

The long-term unemployed are not being kept out of work simply by a lack of economic confidence or a temporary decrease in demand for particular goods, says Scot Melland, president and CEO of Dice Holdings, a provider of career websites. "You clearly have a long-term unemployment issue in the U.S., but it's driven, I would argue, much more by structural factors that have to do with—where's the demand for people in the economy?" says Melland.

the uninsured
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/census_bureau_health_insurance/index.htm



NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The number of people who lacked health insurance last year climbed to 49.9 million, up from 49 million in 2009, the Census Bureau said Tuesday.

Nationwide, 16.3% of the population was uninsured last year, statistically unchanged from 2009.

Three groups comprised the bulk of the uninsured in 2010, including foreign-born residents who are not U.S. citizens, young adults ages 19 to 25 and low-income families with an annual household income of less than $25,000.

Much of the declines in insured rates in recent years can be attributed to the loss of employer-provided coverage, which fell amid sustained unemployment and as employers continued to cut back on benefits.

The percentage of people who had health insurance through their employers fell to 55.3% in 2010 from 56.1% the year before, continuing a long, downward trend. In 2000, 64.1% of the population received health insurance through their employers.



i'll be more worried about peoples sensibilites about burning a flag when 'they' get more worries -- and DO SOMETHING about real problems.

everything else is horse shit.
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the thing worse than flag burning is the the thing that causes flag burning phantom power Feb 2012 #1
you wouldn't know it from the 'concerned' around here. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #3
They are the Concernvatives. Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #19
yes Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #13
All that is meaningless because a piece of cloth was burned in Oakland Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #2
wait... let me go get mine and we can clutch them in tandem. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #4
*mutual* pearl-clutching? kinky! and in public, too, no less MisterP Feb 2012 #41
The people who already don't support OWS won't support them even MORE now MNBrewer Feb 2012 #6
k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #5
it's a weird threat. xchrom Feb 2012 #7
That way they can reassure themselves that they are essentially well-meaning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #8
well put! nt sudopod Feb 2012 #10
They were just waiting notundecided Feb 2012 #14
Yup. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #18
Indeed! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #84
And how exactly did burning a flag help the homeless? hack89 Feb 2012 #9
You're more worried about the symptoms than the disease. sudopod Feb 2012 #12
In this case stupidity seems to be the disease hack89 Feb 2012 #16
Do you really enjoy repeatedly missing the poster's point on purpose? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #17
Stupidity in support of a good cause is still stupidity hack89 Feb 2012 #20
OP is discussing the causes that led to the formation of OWS, not the tactics of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #22
So we can't discuss actions that undermine support for those causes? Ok nt hack89 Feb 2012 #24
There is a time and a place for every thing. This thread was not created to be that place. sudopod Feb 2012 #27
I look at things from a practical aspect - I am not into metaphysical navel gazing hack89 Feb 2012 #31
I am not into metaphysical navel gazing... sudopod Feb 2012 #33
You are upset because I sullied yet another OP telling the great unwashed hack89 Feb 2012 #34
In other words, you didn't read the OP, did you? sudopod Feb 2012 #35
I did - it is a common theme here hack89 Feb 2012 #36
:3 sudopod Feb 2012 #38
That's the kind of intellectual and moral superiority that is going to take OWS far hack89 Feb 2012 #40
The OP pointed out examples the injustices in our country that led to the formation of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #42
Show me where I said I was upset. All I said is that OWS was fucking stupid to burn a flag hack89 Feb 2012 #43
"All I said is that " sudopod Feb 2012 #44
Because you refuse to accept that perhaps OWS is capable of making a mistake. hack89 Feb 2012 #47
OWS didn't agree to burn that flag but it would be too difficult to explian that EFerrari Feb 2012 #45
Is that why we are seeing such widespread condemnation from OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #48
Maybe OWS is focusing on the real violence of last weekend EFerrari Feb 2012 #50
I am focusing on actions that damage OWS' image hack89 Feb 2012 #64
Too bad you don't show the same concern for the actual people who were hurt this weekend. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #65
It bothers me a lot - the Oakland PD are a bunch of thugs hack89 Feb 2012 #67
Do you believe you made a mistake when you beat your wife, hack89? sudopod Feb 2012 #51
But I love OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #62
Talk about puffed up self important acolytes bahrbearian Feb 2012 #69
Trust me - I am hack89 Feb 2012 #70
That's good. however, why even bring up the flag burning then? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #88
Metaphysics, morality and intellectualism have no place in civil disobedience. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #93
No - kicking potential supporters in the nuts has no place in civil disobedience. hack89 Feb 2012 #94
How did burning the flag help the Vietnam protests? L0oniX Feb 2012 #83
They didn't hack89 Feb 2012 #85
No one is saying that burning a flag is going to change anything ... L0oniX Feb 2012 #90
Well, considering the violent confrontation at the 68 Democratic convention, I would say yes. hack89 Feb 2012 #91
I agree there are far more important problems... redqueen Feb 2012 #11
The folks who are so concerned about the flag burning are TriMera Feb 2012 #15
What are people supposed to DO about those problems? hfojvt Feb 2012 #21
Driving 15 miles to the football stadium doesn't seem to help the Jets, does it? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #25
who does THAT anyway? hfojvt Feb 2012 #56
Occupy Oakland was doing a lot and they want their own space to continue serving the community... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #29
Evidently, they are going to bitch about a flag burning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #32
It's not a zero sum thing, really. MineralMan Feb 2012 #23
that guy in the wheelchair obviously knows nothing about the symbolism of that flag, right? msongs Feb 2012 #26
indeed. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #28
K&R (nt) T S Justly Feb 2012 #30
I tend to think that in some quarters, once OWS didn't become the "Democrat's tea party" TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #37
+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #39
Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #46
Beautifully stated. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #61
So folks like you trying to whittle the 99% down to a much smaller number hack89 Feb 2012 #68
I am not concerned about the damned flag. I am concerned about losing supporters because of jwirr Feb 2012 #49
Don't you think that most reasonable people can look at what happened EFerrari Feb 2012 #54
I hope so. In almost every protest I have witnessed since the 60s there have been fringe groups jwirr Feb 2012 #59
No because OWS has made a point Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #89
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #52
Not an either/or proposition leftynyc Feb 2012 #53
I do believe with some people it is an either/or problem. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #58
But what gets accomplished? leftynyc Feb 2012 #77
I have some qualms with the case in Oakland as it wasn't their own flag which they burned, however Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #80
I totally agree that the flag is merely leftynyc Feb 2012 #81
I don't know, maybe they were plants or perhaps their youthful frustation with the pace of the Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #86
I hope so leftynyc Feb 2012 #87
+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #92
The flag burners are the Newt Gingrich of the Occupy movement Politicub Feb 2012 #55
you mean like the watts rebellion of 1965 and the detroit rebellion of 1967 did xchrom Feb 2012 #57
No, not the same. Politicub Feb 2012 #73
Total agreement leftynyc Feb 2012 #78
k&r slay Feb 2012 #60
+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #63
i'm concerned about an important movement being marginalized by either an idiot arely staircase Feb 2012 #66
What movement for the people isn't potentially xchrom Feb 2012 #71
i'm sure many teabaggers felt it very unfair that arely staircase Feb 2012 #72
thank you thank you thank you..you are so right..outrage over burning the flag xiamiam Feb 2012 #74
Test Chill Keney Feb 2012 #75
Yep...love your post! tex-wyo-dem Feb 2012 #76
If more people were condeming burning the flag leftynyc Feb 2012 #79
K&R SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #82
Spot on. n/t 99Forever Feb 2012 #95
Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2012 #96
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