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Catholics are as much to blame for clergy abuse as you are to blame for the WARS [View all] Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 OP

Close but here is where the argument fails. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #1

It's not quite the same, but citizens can resist DerekG Mar 2013 #3

Yes this is true, I have been to many protests Kalidurga Mar 2013 #4

Oh, I would have left the Church long ago had I been a member DerekG Mar 2013 #12

I think most people aren't confrontational simply because they don't have time... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #16

Third Party?... lame54 Mar 2013 #121

So a Catholic child is guilty for the sins of where their parents take them to church? onehandle Mar 2013 #5

no. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #7

+1000 As someone who was raised Catholic, most of the shumcks on DU don't know what they are Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #93

Every child is guilty at birth according to them. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #100

Specifically, we can decide whether and how much money to put in those collection plates. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #9

Sounds like a point in a rant to my youngest daughter Kalidurga Mar 2013 #10

and if you pay your taxes, you're supporting droning. The difference is that when you put $ HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22

The law requires that you pay your taxes. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #33

as i said before, what you put in the collection plate in a local church goes mostly to support the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44

Some religions really don't have hierarchies. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #133

Coersion quakerboy Mar 2013 #135

Maybe it's like donating to Obama so he can sell weapons to Bahrain to shoot labor organizers. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #24

Well, perhaps it's not a perfect metaphor or comparison Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #15

No it's not perfect Kalidurga Mar 2013 #19

Here's where your argument fails... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #23

+1 patrice Mar 2013 #86

No; you can't just arrive in another country and say "I live here now" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #105

You can choose to have no religion Gore1FL Mar 2013 #108

Catholics don't decide to get baptized -- but they are free to leave. pnwmom Mar 2013 #25

Thank you! Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #34

You mean you're not willing to give up the privilege BainsBane Mar 2013 #41

+199,999 n/t Catherina Mar 2013 #56

Subject yourself to the poverty the rest of the world lives in? MattSh Mar 2013 #94

Try to follow the point BainsBane Mar 2013 #124

Catholics do in fact contribute to the 'Holy See' each year on the Sunday nearest June 29 Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #110

+++++++++ Exactly. Lionessa Mar 2013 #43

There are a LOT more good and decent Catholics than there are bad apples. BlueMTexpat Mar 2013 #95

Is there something I said that is not true? Kalidurga Mar 2013 #102

We don't have to stay in the place we were born. Millions of people have left sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #111

You Do, However, Decide Where to Live On the Road Mar 2013 #118

Living without government is basically impossible, Somalia aside Fumesucker Mar 2013 #2

You can certainly pick your government... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #32

But anywhere you can go will have a government, some government. Fumesucker Mar 2013 #73

Catholics support and validate the Catholic Church... MellowDem Mar 2013 #6

Then you supported and validated Bush. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #31

Yes, all Americans do, however indirectly MellowDem Mar 2013 #48

droning is the official policy of the US government. pedophilia is not the official policy of the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #58

True, there are many things I can't vote against... MellowDem Mar 2013 #64

and catholics violate those official policies en masse. and catholics are more liberal HiPointDem Mar 2013 #68

They can't contribute to its liberalization... MellowDem Mar 2013 #125

Its encumbent upon us to create a system of healthy questioning and safety. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2013 #8

I do hope that jury members and hosts think on what Skinner posted in ATA. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #11

Tithing is voluntary. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #13

I know a few Catholics - none of them tithe Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #17

That's my point. Deep13 Mar 2013 #30

Taxes are not mandatory... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #36

you are REALLY reaching Skittles Mar 2013 #89

It is not legally tenable to be Stateless, that is citizenship of someplace is mandatory. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #112

I'm not a martyr. Deep13 Mar 2013 #126

I don't, though. Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #98

What makes you think I was talking about you? nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #128

Your post is tied to mine as a reply Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #131

You're not a very nice person, are you? Deep13 Mar 2013 #136

No, and neither are you Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #138

Ehhhhh... TlalocW Mar 2013 #14

EHHH... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #28

Yes, most do have to pay taxes... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #37

there are plenty of tax resisters in the us who've chosen *not* to pay taxes, for various HiPointDem Mar 2013 #50

so, you can not pay your taxes... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #78

actually, the consequences you list happen to few tax resisters. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #127

Yeah, because leaving a country TlalocW Mar 2013 #40

no one said they're easy. but you folks said they're impossible and the comparison is false. but HiPointDem Mar 2013 #51

No, Pedophilia is not the official policy of the Catholic Church... TlalocW Mar 2013 #61

no, it's been *secret* policy. like our *secret* torture policies and covert operations. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #75

Oh, it is a secret policy... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #81

and the policy outlined in the document you mention isn't a policy of protecting pedophiles. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #82

I think you may be mixed up... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #84

yes, sorry, that was tlaloc. but as that document was the basis for the claim that the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #91

"Pedophilia is not the official policy of the catholic church"... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #80

yes, it has been covered up by some in positions of power. but that is not the same thing. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #96

It is my official policy not to post on DU. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #114

Nonsense. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #132

One thing is for sure, the haters are going to hate. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #18

yeah, I give up liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #69

That is the best way to handle it that I've heard. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #74

So you're saying you're going to ignore the Catholic hierarchy from now on? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #106

Too bad this place is now an anti-Catholic magnet jsr Mar 2013 #77

It will pass. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #137

There are over 1 billion catholics on this planet. A small minority are to blame for child abuse. phleshdef Mar 2013 #20

+1. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #55

Wrong. Going to a chuch is a choice and like I told a friend of mine, kas125 Mar 2013 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #26

+1 Union Scribe Mar 2013 #47

That is an incredibly offensive and stupid accusation to make. King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #99

I was wondering this today Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #27

No way. That is a terrible comparison. I feel responsible for what Bush did even though I rhett o rick Mar 2013 #29

You can leave America... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #38

Again the comparison is bad. I know a number of people that have left the church. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #107

Why is it such a terrible comparison? Catherina Mar 2013 #62

But the comparison is terrible. Bush started in about 2002 and we replaced him in 2008 rhett o rick Mar 2013 #109

I still maintain nothing big changed, especially in matters of foreign policy Catherina Mar 2013 #122

What country did you become a citizen of? Because unless you formally reject your US Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #115

It's done a lot more than people think Catherina Mar 2013 #119

Bullshit! obxhead Mar 2013 #35

You marched! Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #39

Yes I did obxhead Mar 2013 #42

Have you ever seen "Google"? Union Scribe Mar 2013 #45

oooooooooooo obxhead Mar 2013 #52

oooooo moving the goalposts! Union Scribe Mar 2013 #60

Seconds to find? obxhead Mar 2013 #71

You claimed no knowledge of any Catholic group Union Scribe Mar 2013 #79

Google SNAP n/t joesdaughter Mar 2013 #49

SNAP! obxhead Mar 2013 #54

Here are links to Catholic protests of clergy abuse kwassa Mar 2013 #117

I love the "I've never seen meme" BainsBane Mar 2013 #53

Wow. I think I love you Catherina Mar 2013 #63

Thanks BainsBane Mar 2013 #70

Show one picture obxhead Mar 2013 #72

why, are you unable to read? BainsBane Mar 2013 #88

I like your post. Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #83

I have a few theories BainsBane Mar 2013 #90

Thank you Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #101

DU-ers pretend all of the time that what they don't know doesn't matter. This started getting bad patrice Mar 2013 #129

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denying pedophilia is repulsive BainsBane Mar 2013 #57

Touching through clothing or inserting one's penis - rape is rape. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #67

There is something that many are not thinking about when they bash Catholics. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #59

Before clicking this thread, I wouldn't have thought so. JVS Mar 2013 #65

The issue is that we are to blame for our country's wars. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #66

That is just silly. Becoming a citizen of another country is very difficult, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #76

Yeah, and I feel guilty for both things. sofa king Mar 2013 #85

No. Cronus Protagonist Mar 2013 #103

no one is forced to give money to a church Skittles Mar 2013 #87

I would never continue to support an organization if I found out Apophis Mar 2013 #92

"The organization" is huge, and not a strict command hierarchy. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #97

Not quite. People vote against war, people protest in the streets against war, people Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #104

Oh come on Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #113

65% of Catholic Charities cash comes from the US government. Less that 3% from parishes. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #116

To recap and expand on our exchange on another thread Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #120

Drop the church! If your diocese is hiding a molester or just absorpbed one from another diocese, rustydog Mar 2013 #123

And, of course, when you do, you'll increase the support for social & economic justice that you just patrice Mar 2013 #130

Really? 99Forever Mar 2013 #134