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208. Think again. perhaps you do those things because they are right

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 01:53 PM

Mar 2013

NOT because of gender role.

"I like women. I treat them different then men. I have sex with them and not men, which also makes me sexist I suppose." Because of YOUR sexual orientation actually! It is in the best interests of you and partner, and it's the most honest thing to do.

"If I am going out somewhere, like a bar that allows smoking (well, back when we had freedom of choice), and I dress nicely it is because I want women to see me a certain way. If I am more polite and talk them in a different manner then men it is because I am wanting their company."

Do women not dress nicely in such setting too? thing is there are places where EVERYONE is expected to dress formal whether fine dining, work, even CPAC! And I think bars are allowed to admit smokers if the establishment posts a sign warning so. And if you want to make good first impression on ANYONE like at first date or job interview you've got to put on your best manners. once you two have established trust THEN you can get casual.

"Sometimes people do things not because they hate and want to oppress. But some folks need to make it about being a victim. Even when it is something like going out of your way to do something nice."

...

"Men treat women different than they do other men. Women treat women different than they do men in some cases as well. What is the surprise here? Why does it have to be one is trying to oppress the other?"

You are misunderstanding things and misrepresenting arguments. I can't believe simple moral issues are seen as "POLITICALLY CORRECT" even on the left!!!

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Why are some men so upset with the idea that treating women differently can promote and teach Sexism. [View all] Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 OP

I get the feeling judging by some of the names popping up in those other discussions Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #1

The OP appears to have unresolved issues with his lack of chivalry. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #181

Not a troll post. Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #295

That 'theory' is right up there with Trump's Obama Birth Certificate theory. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #296

You can't escape the fact that rainy Mar 2013 #2

Just FYI, I'm a woman and I open jars for my male roommate. justiceischeap Mar 2013 #9

I see your point very well. What I'm trying to say is that instead of rainy Mar 2013 #10

Yeah for your father! treestar Mar 2013 #189

And asians are good at math, and black people are less intelligent... alp227 Mar 2013 #199

Different and equal loyalsister Mar 2013 #312

I was sitting in the doctor's office the other day chatting with a man I didn't know ... polly7 Mar 2013 #317

that' really cool. loyalsister Mar 2013 #321

When are some people going to understand.. sendero Mar 2013 #3

Good post Harmony Blue Mar 2013 #21

Very well said malaise Mar 2013 #53

We are the same and interchangeable treestar Mar 2013 #190

No one has argued that men and women are "interchangable"... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #195

I think where the problem lies is folks assigning motivations to others ad hoc The Straight Story Mar 2013 #4

As a woman, I approve this message. Some vested outraged persons would do well to remember, txwhitedove Mar 2013 #11

except there was no outrage. except it was a thread straighstory put up about boobs that introduced seabeyond Mar 2013 #26

Try speaking with kind words instead of harsh. The only outrage I had read is your harsher words, txwhitedove Mar 2013 #147

were are the "unkind" words. and why is truth considered harsh, lmfao. seabeyond Mar 2013 #149

Perhaps if you took a softer tone, Z_I_Peevey Mar 2013 #152

bah hahahah. thank you so much. at first i thought this was gonna be serious seabeyond Mar 2013 #158

LOL...Thanks! whathehell Mar 2013 #168

LOL! Nice :) redqueen Mar 2013 #177

I think you were the one who brought up the doors. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #173

What outrages me MattBaggins Mar 2013 #112

Gotcha! txwhitedove Mar 2013 #148

No you didn't MattBaggins Mar 2013 #151

Well, bless your little pea-pickin' heart. (n/t) klook Mar 2013 #155

OK now you got me MattBaggins Mar 2013 #165

Whew that's some serious bile marions ghost Mar 2013 #16

Don't think I need to change my mind The Straight Story Mar 2013 #22

"Men treat women different than they do other men." marions ghost Mar 2013 #69

It is very strange MattBaggins Mar 2013 #132

It seems to me that feminism just stalled in the 80's. redqueen Mar 2013 #141

Or told the LGBT community MattBaggins Mar 2013 #150

It didn't die out--it just morphed into Retro Sexism marions ghost Mar 2013 #281

she is so awesomely brilliant and so young. we have a lot of years of her voice. seabeyond Mar 2013 #311

The younger generation --many get it marions ghost Mar 2013 #315

a year ago or so i was bummed, looking at the state of our youthful feminism. but, seabeyond Mar 2013 #319

Let me tell you a story... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #201

Think again. perhaps you do those things because they are right alp227 Mar 2013 #208

pearls of wisdom. Whisp Mar 2013 #27

straightstory was the one that introduced the term in his OP. seabeyond Mar 2013 #32

And again, you were the one who brought up the opening of doors in that thread. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #176

Might you be overreacting just a tad? You seem a little outraged. Squinch Mar 2013 #29

Well, my panties aren't really in a bunch at this point The Straight Story Mar 2013 #46

Except no one was finding ways to "call others sexist for anything they can." Squinch Mar 2013 #56

You wear panties? ljm2002 Mar 2013 #207

um, weren't you just complaining about people assigning motivations to others? fishwax Mar 2013 #224

Oh please MattBaggins Mar 2013 #45

Careful with sex, if it's "PIV", even consensual, it still is assualt.... snooper2 Mar 2013 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2013 #166

I think where the problem lies in BS distortions of what other posters have said n/t fishwax Mar 2013 #222

I am a feminist woman, and I have no problem with being treated "differently." Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #5

Great post, I could not agree more with you. XRubicon Mar 2013 #17

"I distinguish tradition and etiquette from equal pay and equal rights" MattBaggins Mar 2013 #164

+1 n/t whathehell Mar 2013 #169

Excellent post. So very well said. redqueen Mar 2013 #180

I have examined them and do not find they are sexist. (I don't know what traditions in etiquette Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #197

Actually removing your cap in doors MattBaggins Mar 2013 #211

Then don't remove your hat, dude. No one's making you. Women don't have to remove Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #259

I am not calling people sexist for "traditional good manners" MattBaggins Mar 2013 #298

Exactly. Men and women are different. There is nothing wrong with recognizing that. (nt) nessa Mar 2013 #185

Inequal pay is related to being treated differently gollygee Mar 2013 #214

Great post. Many people simply cannot tell the difference between the two TimberValley Mar 2013 #288

A majority of the men here are not hostile to feminists kdmorris Mar 2013 #6

Wise words. randome Mar 2013 #8

my bad. a man asked what it was. i provided a definition. i am the jerk. amazing. fucking amazing.nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #28

I didn't say that, seabeyond kdmorris Mar 2013 #66

this started with that. ground floor. the threads took off. men outraged by feminists outrage seabeyond Mar 2013 #74

Why the hell did "we" feel the need to do anything about benevolent sexism, seabeyond? kdmorris Mar 2013 #100

I don't feel ridiculous at all and I am a feminist. boston bean Mar 2013 #105

*I* NEVER SAID IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SEABEYOND kdmorris Mar 2013 #113

I say this with all respect, please note that there are sexists on DU. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #122

Do you seriously think I don't know that? kdmorris Mar 2013 #268

In your opinion KD. boston bean Mar 2013 #322

a man asked what it was. i gave examples and definitions. outrage and lies ensued. seabeyond Mar 2013 #107

I didn't attack you (or Boston Bean or Redqueen) kdmorris Mar 2013 #276

for the record I didn't feel attacked by you. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #323

btw... this was just brought to my attention. i wanted to say, good, thanks for letting me know. seabeyond Mar 2013 #324

"equates benevolent sexism with rape apologia and victim blaming" redqueen Mar 2013 #109

You posted it, Redqueen, not me. kdmorris Mar 2013 #115

Wow. redqueen Mar 2013 #129

+1 NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #279

You calling kd a Republican now Redqueen? tkmorris Mar 2013 #139

i am pinned on a cross... meh. lol. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #140

Ugh, no. Framing. The framing is utterly, disgustingly dishonest. And that is a right wing tactic. redqueen Mar 2013 #146

This theKed Mar 2013 #186

There are a lot of jock-strap snappers Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #7

Thank you for viewing this rationally marions ghost Mar 2013 #12

I haven't seen ANY man here upset with the idea that treating women differently can promote polly7 Mar 2013 #13

Because on DU, you can only discuss the actual effect of sexism boston bean Mar 2013 #14

+1 redqueen Mar 2013 #36

I think the low light of all that was when a poster Whisp Mar 2013 #39

It boggles the mind doesn't it? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #15

Who's dismissing it? Orrex Mar 2013 #18

Really? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #23

Yes. Orrex Mar 2013 #25

Look up: "broadbrush accusations and generalizations"... 99Forever Mar 2013 #19

Look up MattBaggins Mar 2013 #24

I ws working for Equal Rights... 99Forever Mar 2013 #30

oooh.... boston bean Mar 2013 #33

"Perhaps rather using alienating language" MattBaggins Mar 2013 #61

Thanks for joining a bunch... 99Forever Mar 2013 #72

I'll add it to my give a crap list MattBaggins Mar 2013 #118

Just so we're clear... Orrex Mar 2013 #34

one simple response of one example in a boob subthread that discussed benevolent sexism, used to boston bean Mar 2013 #37

Link, please? Orrex Mar 2013 #43

You don't even know how it started? boston bean Mar 2013 #50

I know exactly how it started Orrex Mar 2013 #57

amazing you, every man that started thread on doors about feminist outrage leaves out the definition seabeyond Mar 2013 #65

Are you willing to own your words or not? Orrex Mar 2013 #73

you think you have a gotcha moment? i put an example and definition. then the men start OPs saying seabeyond Mar 2013 #80

Who said that feminists are outraged? And where? And who are "we feminists" anyway? Orrex Mar 2013 #86

post after post. thread after thread. you havent read any? fine. seabeyond Mar 2013 #89

Links, please Orrex Mar 2013 #94

no. because at this point, i gotta figure you are playin in that game also. seabeyond Mar 2013 #101

So, you are free to declare my intent for me, but no one else is allowed to infer your intent? Orrex Mar 2013 #103

i am allowed to have an opinion. and i clearly put it up as my opinion. again, seabeyond Mar 2013 #111

Similarly, I can't believe that you're really the absurd caricature that you paint yourself to be Orrex Mar 2013 #119

ah, all the ready name calling posters on this thread have for us. bye. seabeyond Mar 2013 #128

Oh, please Orrex Mar 2013 #131

BRAVO!!!!!!!!! txwhitedove Mar 2013 #174

i already provided the info for you in your very long thread you deleted about doors. here is a link seabeyond Mar 2013 #54

That's not my thread Orrex Mar 2013 #64

i gave examples and definition. no opinion. no outrage. the problem? nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #68

You offered several examples; were those not your opinion? Orrex Mar 2013 #81

Was your thread like the 4th or the 5th or the 10th on the subject boston bean Mar 2013 #84

people can read it. i stand by it. ya, a game. two days of a fuckin game. i stand seabeyond Mar 2013 #85

So you own your words, but no one is allowed to cite them? Orrex Mar 2013 #92

i did not post an opinion. i posted examples and a definition. and i did not tell anyone they seabeyond Mar 2013 #104

Who's outraged? Me? You set a very low bar for what qualifies as "outraged." Orrex Mar 2013 #108

no. i didnt set the bar. others did toward any woman that tried to bring reason to the conversation seabeyond Mar 2013 #116

Well, I'm glad that we can still agree on something. Orrex Mar 2013 #123

I think we all (including the person who said it) would agree that it was an reductionist example. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #145

thank you... so much, for quiet, gentle, reason. seabeyond Mar 2013 #20

Yep. You hit the nail on the head. Thanks for this OP. k&r Little Star Mar 2013 #31

My women studies instructor back in the 1980s nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #35

oh, god, tell me again who was focusing on it? boston bean Mar 2013 #38

Go on and play along nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #42

i don't use ignore, thank you. boston bean Mar 2013 #48

Good...that is nice, I guess nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #71

yes, these men on du focused on the doors to trivialize feminism. you got it just right. seabeyond Mar 2013 #40

It wasn't just the men who found your doors example ridiculous. nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #41

so you found it ridiculous. so? boston bean Mar 2013 #44

So? I have a right to respond, as a woman .... to anything that polly7 Mar 2013 #52

And I speak for me! AS a WOMAN! I'm one too! Whoop dee doo! boston bean Mar 2013 #55

Nah ......... the response to it wasn't sexist at all. polly7 Mar 2013 #58

To you. Not to me. boston bean Mar 2013 #70

I will compare creds here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #75

many, god damnit, but I'm on an anonymous board and i don't discuss boston bean Mar 2013 #82

I think you are alienating allies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #87

I certainly get the feeling some are trying to alienate democrats from feminists. boston bean Mar 2013 #96

So now we switch into victim mode? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #102

You just said I was making you one by alienating you. boston bean Mar 2013 #110

We are not talking ideas anymore nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #120

You were never talking about the idea. boston bean Mar 2013 #125

"We are not talking ideas anymore"... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #213

Comes after being accused and their use of divisive language nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #216

I'd walk down the street with you for liberal causes. boston bean Mar 2013 #217

Well that is nice nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #219

Your thoughts on this are anathema to how I feel about this whole debacle. boston bean Mar 2013 #221

You misunderstand, I will continue to fight for things like the ERA nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #226

Ok, I think it's clear that it is you who is alienating potential allies. boston bean Mar 2013 #228

Really...re-read the thread nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #230

LOL. this is almost too much. boston bean Mar 2013 #231

Well feminists have always been accused... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #233

You seem to think nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #239

We believe in the same basic goals. If you are going to allow that boston bean Mar 2013 #240

Ah feels so good to trash all three groups nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #242

you splinterist! LOL nt boston bean Mar 2013 #243

Not at all nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #247

bub bye! is it for real this time? nt boston bean Mar 2013 #248

Keep dreaming on that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #250

You got an odd definition of "attack". I'm highly entertained as well. boston bean Mar 2013 #252

I am sure you do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #256

LMFAO. polly7 Mar 2013 #251

Seems you've missed the point, yet again. boston bean Mar 2013 #261

Your year later apology so that you could play victim when someone reminded you of the polly7 Mar 2013 #265

You stalk me with this in every single thread you and I have a discussion in. boston bean Mar 2013 #270

Last resort?? polly7 Mar 2013 #313

Well, at least you will be safe from me in the feminism group nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #267

why would I need to be kept safe from you? nt boston bean Mar 2013 #274

You made the comment on stalking nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #278

Have you been stalking me and I didn't know it? LOL boston bean Mar 2013 #282

Whoosh nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #284

woosh.. boston bean Mar 2013 #285

"You guys really are bad about any criticism." zappaman Mar 2013 #286

"well som of us have been kicking doors open"... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #255

Well, this thread is textbook nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #257

'Victim mode'. Always !!!! nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #130

That is a right wing framing of feminism. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #135

No, it's just the truth. polly7 Mar 2013 #136

Nope, it is a right wing framing of feminism. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #137

lmao. You can talk about flamefests. polly7 Mar 2013 #77

I don't disapprove of discussion taking place. boston bean Mar 2013 #79

Could'a fooled me! lol. nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #88

I suppose that was pretty easy to do. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #91

Oh, ZING!!!!! nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #95

BAM! nt boston bean Mar 2013 #97

kapow? lol. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #124

The reason men and women latched onto the door example is to avoid the point. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #142

You don't know that at all. polly7 Mar 2013 #143

That strains credibility. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #153

There were hundreds of posts responding to the concept that holding polly7 Mar 2013 #157

The posters collectively were responding to a concept of their own invention. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #162

Bullshit. polly7 Mar 2013 #218

Welcome to short attention span theater. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #260

Eh ....... seeing the same old lies about what actually did or didn't start all of this polly7 Mar 2013 #314

yep Little Star Mar 2013 #203

No they did not, it was such a bad frame nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #47

What I found piddly and trivial boston bean Mar 2013 #49

Show me proof that the concept was trivialized nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #59

oh my... hard core activist is someone giving a well known example boston bean Mar 2013 #63

A concept that is gender neutral nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #67

The idea that a woman only needs the door held for them, is sexist. boston bean Mar 2013 #76

Alas that is not the interpretation any longer nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #83

Ah, it was a simple response. boston bean Mar 2013 #90

Women do that to men nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #93

I suggest you open your mind to the concept boston bean Mar 2013 #99

I suggest the problem is real, I know the concept, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #106

It was a god damned comment in a subthread about womens boobs. boston bean Mar 2013 #117

Have a good day nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #126

'I have said my last on this" zappaman Mar 2013 #205

Why are you being an ass about it? MattBaggins Mar 2013 #235

I love the attacks nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #244

You are as guilty MattBaggins Mar 2013 #253

Hmm hmm nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #273

I find it exceedingly bizarre, ronnie624 Mar 2013 #159

And to have a few DUers calling the people trying to clarify that fact 'trolls'... redqueen Mar 2013 #183

What art of gender neutral are you also having a problem understanding? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #194

My understanding is complete. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #200

Because the frame does not work any longer nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #202

You just went and made the point we are making MattBaggins Mar 2013 #249

And you kept using a frame that no longer exists or works nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #254

Historical frame works are excellent for MattBaggins Mar 2013 #299

It worked so well it was laughed out of town nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #300

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #301

Ah, back to attack mode. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #303

You are not as clever as you imagine MattBaggins Mar 2013 #304

Ah stage three nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #305

You do think your clever MattBaggins Mar 2013 #306

My apologies. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #309

"I expect this observation to be...once again, destroyed at the event horizon." zappaman Mar 2013 #307

It is not always gender neutral MattBaggins Mar 2013 #245

Easy. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #167

+1 Little Star Mar 2013 #204

it was examples and a definition. the reaction played many. you participate. i stand with the OP seabeyond Mar 2013 #51

Yep. And that says it all, right there. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #60

Move on...at this point that is what you should do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #62

some people are willing to sit in a lie. i have never been willing to do that. seabeyond Mar 2013 #98

What other progressive issues do we have to frame just so for other DUers? redqueen Mar 2013 #134

That's a very good question. redqueen Mar 2013 #78

It is an excellent question, and bears some relationship, I suspect, Z_I_Peevey Mar 2013 #121

bingo Little Star Mar 2013 #127

I don't know why just acknowledging that it exists... Iggo Mar 2013 #144

"a similar thing happened during the recent discussions about white privilege" redqueen Mar 2013 #154

Why the outrage from progressive men? marions ghost Mar 2013 #114

For some men, feminism is simply another name for chivalry. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #133

Thanks, it's always refreshing when men express puzzlement over the same things we Zorra Mar 2013 #138

I think it crosses the line between fighting for a cause, and fighting just because. Ian David Mar 2013 #156

That would be a good observation, IF there were a single person here that holds that view. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #160

Don't make me name names. n/t Ian David Mar 2013 #172

Home run! NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #220

Sexism trolling posts like this one show a gross level of immaturity. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #161

+1 whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #182

"Sexism trolling posts like this one show a gross level of immaturity." MadrasT Mar 2013 #209

"Pot. Kettle." is the pinnacle of childish. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #225

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #232

About the right amount. :-) nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #236

You totally miss the point. Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #325

I get your point, and I HAVE YOUR NUMBER! nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #327

Some people like drama. Apophis Mar 2013 #170

Why are some feminists so upset with the reality that there are differences between sexes and leeroysphitz Mar 2013 #171

Fail. whathehell Mar 2013 #175

I hadn't realized you were the elected spokesperson. n/t leeroysphitz Mar 2013 #192

Well, you learn something new everyday, don't you? whathehell Mar 2013 #258

Now you're in trouble. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #178

The sexes have a lot more in common than they do differences treestar Mar 2013 #193

Our differences go well beyond plumbing and are at least as important as leeroysphitz Mar 2013 #196

They do not treestar Mar 2013 #198

They do. leeroysphitz Mar 2013 #206

Your type of reasoning is what will prevent it from happening. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #212

Tks! But your reasonable post is addressed to those who just love making fun of this bettyellen Mar 2013 #179

So what do we call women who treat other women differently? We madmom Mar 2013 #184

The 'Working Mom' versus 'Stay At Home Mom' rivalry comes to mind. nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #187

Equal opportunity jerks treestar Mar 2013 #191

Also sexist. MadrasT Mar 2013 #210

Great post treestar Mar 2013 #188

I miss Meta. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #215

+1 zappaman Mar 2013 #223

Im a woman and i cant do everything a guy does. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #227

Where did you learn this? boston bean Mar 2013 #229

How about life experience?? darkangel218 Mar 2013 #234

Are you saying that you couldn't do these things if you chose to? nt boston bean Mar 2013 #237

No i couldnt. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #269

How about women that choose to? boston bean Mar 2013 #272

Thats up to them, but they dont speak for everyone. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #277

In essence though you are speaking for all women boston bean Mar 2013 #280

Im not including all women, you are. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #287

I'm sorry darkangel, you spoke very broadly boston bean Mar 2013 #290

If men were taught to nurture.. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #292

interesting. i did not realize seabeyond Mar 2013 #318

They make pink wrenches and hammers. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #266

Yah i know. i got one for xmas :/ darkangel218 Mar 2013 #275

"... It's not sexism. Just like women are better at nurturing..." lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #263

i'm a woman and i can't do everything some other women can do , there are things i can do that guys JI7 Mar 2013 #320

Ever been to the Men's forums here? MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #238

For what? nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #241

Please educate us. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #262

but I have been to Moclips/Humptulips though.. recently even.. got some nice razor clams last weeken opiate69 Mar 2013 #289

Good for you, wasn't last weekend the last clam tide of the year? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #293

thanks.. made an awesome white sauce with them.. opiate69 Mar 2013 #294

Property is pretty cheap, but you gotta BYOE (bring your own employment) lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #297

Holy shit! Dont tell my wife about that.. she`ll be making it happen hell or highwater lol opiate69 Mar 2013 #302

You know, some people don't like you to hold the door for them. Rex Mar 2013 #246

I propose that we all fight to get Congress to pass Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #264

Maybe after the sequester is over. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #283

There is a very good case to be made that treating the genders differently IS sexism. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #271

In a thread that said that men who like big boobs are sexist... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #291

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #308

I haven't seen that... NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #310

I live in Orange County and I definitely do not like how I am treated and viewed culturally here. dogknob Mar 2013 #316

Its just the 2010s...a transitionary period... McDiggy Mar 2013 #326