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southernyankeebelle

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34. I want to be. But our church makes it hard to be at times. I hate to say it but I've become a

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 02:14 PM

Mar 2013

cafeteria catholic. I don't get out of it what I use to. I don't know if it is just the priest or its something more. I am so disappointed in the way they align themselves with Fundies. This mix of religion and politics makes me ill. I feel the church has left me. I still have my faith. But the catholic church is my church and I don't like when people who especially aren't even catholic have bad things to say about it. I try to go during the holidays or I try to watch mass on tv. I hope this new pope will make changes for the better. I read that he doesn't think that priest who abuse people should be passed to another church. He thinks they need to be kicked out of the priesthood. I hope that is true. That would be a good start in the right direction.

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Catholics are Not the Problem [View all] MineralMan Mar 2013 OP

Thank you for making it so clear. Sometimes I try on DU to explain why am still a catholic and southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #1

I have no brief at all with Catholics. MineralMan Mar 2013 #2

Thank you anyway. Sometimes people who really do say things on DU that are not nice against southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #7

Double amen. CurtEastPoint Mar 2013 #3

you sound like a good Catholic and a good person liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #27

I want to be. But our church makes it hard to be at times. I hate to say it but I've become a southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #34

Almost everybody is a cafeteria Catholic, pnwmom Mar 2013 #46

Heck I even question that he is a real catholic. He has lost the basics of the catholic teachings southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #98

I would venture to say to you that the Skidmore Mar 2013 #72

Well you might be right. I do like tradition. There was a time I wouldn't even go to a girl that southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #97

Without Catholic parishioners, there would be no Catholic behemoth... SidDithers Mar 2013 #4

... Apophis Mar 2013 #5

For many reasons. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #9

My husband was a catholic and changed to the Eastern Orthodox church. Your comment is true. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #39

I was Nazarene and converted after college. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #54

Yes he is the same way. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #96

That is completely inaccurate. Drahthaardogs Mar 2013 #15

"I wish Protestants would quit writing..." SidDithers Mar 2013 #59

I cannot answer your question. MineralMan Mar 2013 #16

Human nature... defacto7 Mar 2013 #88

because they are conditioned to do so, mostly by family Skittles Mar 2013 #102

Every Catholic I know rejects the church's teachings on those items jsr Mar 2013 #6

If I contribute money that supports the ideas of the Tea Party, jerseyjack Mar 2013 #8

What makes you think they contribute money? knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #10

I am one who no longer gives to the church. I give to the local DHS. They have a list of many southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #41

if you want to get married, go to Catholic School or baptize your kid, etc.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #92

Many have stopped giving, as you cite. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #94

but if you want to participate with your family, it's not optional- no sacraments are given, no bettyellen Mar 2013 #100

Wow. I've taught in Catholic schools and not seen that. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #103

I had no idea either (except that they were monitoring my attendance) The office admin explained bettyellen Mar 2013 #104

I think that only applies to parish schools. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #105

Do you send money to politicians? onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #13

That really is an oversimplification. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #14

Stop with this fucking stupid ass comparison... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #17

Read my entire post then Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #20

Again, voluntary versus involuntary, and the involuntary allows for some of my input... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #21

No analogy is perfect because reality isn't based on cloning Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #31

Your argument falls apart in this regard... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #43

We probably don't disagree as completely as it might seem Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #60

I'm not even asking them not to hold true to their faith, just don't donate to the Church itself... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #73

The Bible requires tithing. merrily Mar 2013 #62

The Bible does, the Catholic Church doesn't. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #64

The Church requires obedience to the Bible. merrily Mar 2013 #66

Well, technically, but it isn't fundamentalist in its reading... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #69

Are you saying that is a teaching of the Catholic Church? merrily Mar 2013 #76

That is what I was taught in PSR, though my memory may be fuzzy. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #77

As best I know, the giving must be to the Catholic Church or Catholic related charities. merrily Mar 2013 #79

Never heard of the restriction being that severe... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #81

You are totally incorrect. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #99

I would suggest a little less offensive approach to the discussion. MineralMan Mar 2013 #26

Problem is that its a tired and thoroughly discredited argument, I get sick of hearing it. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #45

Then counter it. There's no need for the MineralMan Mar 2013 #47

Yes, you would be, since it is purely a political organization. MineralMan Mar 2013 #18

How do you know it doesn't go beyond the local parish? Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #23

Individual Catholic can decide to donate or not to donate. MineralMan Mar 2013 #25

Doctor's without Borders(just throwing it out there)... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #49

I can find objections to all of those, frankly. MineralMan Mar 2013 #51

But, generally speaking, parishioners have little control, and again, without legal obligations... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #55

I harbor no ill will toward individual Roman Catholics Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #11

There is nothing unique about some Catholic priests MineralMan Mar 2013 #19

I disagree with the assertion that it is not unique Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #22

You're incorrect. Such behavior on the part of church leadership MineralMan Mar 2013 #24

Your experiences are different from mine Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #28

I'm sure they are. We all have our own experiences. MineralMan Mar 2013 #40

Wrong. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #56

Until there is evidence Lordquinton Mar 2013 #95

The Catholic clergy doesn't have any higher incidence of offenders than men in other pnwmom Mar 2013 #53

I've witnessed those somersaults of logic firsthand Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #58

So have I -- with the relatives of a woman I know who was molested by her family member. pnwmom Mar 2013 #61

Regardless Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #71

I saw plenty of hero worship among the people involved in the Penn State case. nt pnwmom Mar 2013 #78

And that further reinforces my case Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #85

No, it reinforces my case. pnwmom Mar 2013 #90

We could do this all day Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #91

Most of my Catholic friends... socialindependocrat Mar 2013 #12

Individual Catholics tend to believe those same things though BellaLuna Mar 2013 #29

That is not true overall, frankly. MineralMan Mar 2013 #33

You are confusing what people believe with what they support BellaLuna Mar 2013 #42

You made a choice. Everyone does that. MineralMan Mar 2013 #44

To extend my original post. MineralMan Mar 2013 #30

Bingo. "The Roman Catholic Church as an organization...is the problem"..... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #32

It can, indeed be applied to any organization. MineralMan Mar 2013 #36

The majority of Catholic people, no, BUT HockeyMom Mar 2013 #35

When it comes to politics, I look at individuals, not the organizations MineralMan Mar 2013 #38

Nailed it. we can do it Mar 2013 #37

I'm sorry, but StarlightGold Mar 2013 #48

Oops... StarlightGold Mar 2013 #50

What is the point of belonging to a religion when you don't follow ALL of the teachings? alarimer Mar 2013 #52

It makes no sense to me, either RT_Fanatic Mar 2013 #89

Catholic parishoners are also not part of the solution either... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #57

Nothing? Catholics are SUING them. jsr Mar 2013 #67

the plaintiffs who were directly harmed ... but the rank and file? Bennyboy Mar 2013 #70

Is anyone aside from the direct victims doing anything? bettyellen Mar 2013 #93

I don't think it is that simple. merrily Mar 2013 #63

Just as I voted for President Obama in 2008 even though he opposed gay marriage at that time, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #65

True, but the Church opposes "cafeteria Catholics." merrily Mar 2013 #75

In reality there is nothing they can do about it jsr Mar 2013 #80

I would say that every Catholic DUer is a "cafeteria Catholic". Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #83

"Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #68

Any organization that doesn't treat women as equals is bound to fail Cleita Mar 2013 #74

The Catholic Church is a theocratic sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #82

You have to blame the leadership of an organized religion. Rex Mar 2013 #84

in my discussions here i've tried to be clear.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #86

Yes they are part of the problem... MellowDem Mar 2013 #87

DIng, Ding, Ding, Ding... Very eloquent... Bennyboy Mar 2013 #101