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Tom Rinaldo

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40. I agree with you on that for most

Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:50 AM

Mar 2013

For one thing, it is an analogy, and analogies are never perfect because different situations are never totally analogous. I agree that for most people leaving their homeland may be harder than leaving their religion - for logistical reasons if for no others. But that doesn't drain all meaning from the analogy. I think is still conveys an element of truth, even if the scale of the comparison differs. And while I agree with you regarding most people, I do not think that holds true for all. We humans differ among ourselves on how intrinsic and central our religion (if we have one) is to our personal identity and understanding of the world. For many leaving one's religion can be a deep and profound uprooting - more so than moving from one location to another physically. The reasons for that vary from one person to another, and like you point to in your own life, for some it is no big deal. My basic point is I am extremely reluctant to tell anyone else that their choice in life is confined to "love it or leave it".

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If Catholics stopped being welcome in the Democratic Party, rightst fundies would soon go unchecked. [View all] Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 OP

DU is not the Democratic Party... MellowDem Mar 2013 #1

To parse your words just a bit Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #21

Not all the donnations go to the Pope, you have no idea what good Dragonfli Mar 2013 #29

Not at all... MellowDem Mar 2013 #47

It feels like a purge to Catholics here. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #48

but Mellow, sooooo many DU'ers think this is the Demorcatis Party. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #51

I give to the RCC. musical_soul Mar 2013 #55

Flames, flames, flames life long demo Mar 2013 #82

If only true Christians were allowed in the Republican Party .... Coyotl Mar 2013 #2

Not that I agree with social conservativism. I don't..... musical_soul Mar 2013 #56

We shouldn't compromise on reproductive issues and marriage equality to appeal Catholics, though. sadbear Mar 2013 #3

I don't think liberal Catholics have asked for this or want this etherealtruth Mar 2013 #5

And no one has called for Catholics to leave the Democratic Party, and yet here is this OP Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #81

Of course not etherealtruth Mar 2013 #107

Breaking News! Catholics use birth control and have abortions. DevonRex Mar 2013 #11

I know they belong to another demographic, sadbear Mar 2013 #12

Not where I'm from. DevonRex Mar 2013 #13

Just curious. Another demographic? Italian? Irish? Mexican? DevonRex Mar 2013 #14

1st and 2nd generation Mexican-Americans. sadbear Mar 2013 #17

Many that vote have smaller families LeftInTX Mar 2013 #18

Ah, so you think Americans of Mexican descent all have 10 kids. DevonRex Mar 2013 #22

I never said 10 children. sadbear Mar 2013 #35

Though it has been politcally bastardized in a gambit to own SCOTUS more completely, Pro-Life patrice Mar 2013 #24

and we have never had to; most american catholics completely ignore that edic. arely staircase Mar 2013 #34

But seldom can disagreement be expressed without it degenerating into vilification. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #49

I have not heard one Catholic on DU EVER ask for compromise life long demo Mar 2013 #84

I'm not referring to Catholics on DU. sadbear Mar 2013 #91

What is this over wrought stuff? Catholics make up parts of both major parties. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #4

Clarence Thomas, Alito and Roberts are Catholic too lunasun Mar 2013 #8

I found your comment very surprising. I grew up in a very blue collar life long demo Mar 2013 #26

yes fundy like & not blue collar at all but republicans for sure -signs and bumper stickers say so lunasun Mar 2013 #36

And Joe Biden. musical_soul Mar 2013 #57

the entire RW majority on the SCOTUS are Catholic Progressive dog Mar 2013 #78

Where do you get the idea that White, Non-Latino Catholics mostly support Republicans? ieoeja Mar 2013 #41

The idea comes from the presidential exit polls for this century muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #46

I thought that's what atheists were for. Cleita Mar 2013 #6

We shouldnt pander to any one group for political purposes libtodeath Mar 2013 #7

I don't think it's anyone's business to tell a catholic which party to join. We don't need anyone's southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #9

Of course it isn't. Who suggests that it might be? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #25

Well lets hope they will vote for the Dems because republicans are still riding the crazy train. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #33

I dunno: a couple of catholics I know left the democratic party anyway Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #10

The Catholics I know are very liberal and one of movonne Mar 2013 #16

Wish that were the case with my friends but it aint. Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #23

My mother often joins a prayer group filled with very progressive nuns Pullo Mar 2013 #30

Historically, there have been many courageously progressive thucythucy Mar 2013 #105

I am more worried about women leaving if we keep holding open doors for them The Straight Story Mar 2013 #15

!! Richardo Mar 2013 #32

I guess Catholics are reproducing without women. lol. musical_soul Mar 2013 #58

If you disagree with the Church why not just leave? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #19

That works well for some. It is a real option for many Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #37

Leaving the Catholic Church is far easier than emigrating ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #38

I agree with you on that for most Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #40

Christianity is full of horrific ideas too. DirkGently Mar 2013 #62

Hmm... onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #77

My point exactly. Which I guess you missed? DirkGently Mar 2013 #86

Yep onpatrol98 Mar 2013 #101

Happens to me too. DirkGently Mar 2013 #108

Speaking for myself... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #106

As many before me have posted etherealtruth Mar 2013 #20

If many Catholics truly believed the Church doctrine regarding a woman's right to choose, or gay still_one Mar 2013 #27

In the middle of the last century, the Democratic party took a stand. trotsky Mar 2013 #28

Agree, good post, trotsky! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #54

Hear hear Richardo Mar 2013 #31

A clarification to this OP Subject line Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #39

Sorry, not willing to compromise on pro-choice jeff47 Mar 2013 #42

It's not my religion, but that doesn't matter Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #43

The problem is the "Catholic people" have failed to do so. jeff47 Mar 2013 #44

The American people didn't stop George W. bush from invading Iraq or being re-installed after he did Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #45

The American people tried jeff47 Mar 2013 #50

First an observation Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #67

I can no more defend the position of others jeff47 Mar 2013 #97

OK I'm clearer on what you want. I have no problem with you advocationg for Catholics to... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #100

Tom, yours in the last comment I can read here life long demo Mar 2013 #87

You condemn Muslims, Mormons, Jews, Protestants, & Democrats equally, right? DirkGently Mar 2013 #60

The difference is what you do about that corruption jeff47 Mar 2013 #94

Except you have no idea who tithes or protests, do you? DirkGently Mar 2013 #109

Did you vote for Obama in 2008? Renew Deal Mar 2013 #52

Relevance? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #93

You're obviously willing to compromise a little bit on "pro-gay rights." Renew Deal Mar 2013 #95

No, I explicitly told the people calling for donations that they wouldn't get any. jeff47 Mar 2013 #98

May I bring up an important point that I personally corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #53

How do you know this? progressoid Mar 2013 #61

Really? We should assume Catholic parents want their children raped? DirkGently Mar 2013 #63

Huh? progressoid Mar 2013 #64

Oh please. You demand proof Catholics whose children were the victims DirkGently Mar 2013 #66

No, progressoid Mar 2013 #71

You can't be serious! How about corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #65

Maybe I'm just not understanding your post... progressoid Mar 2013 #68

Catholic victims who remained inside the Church, and their families Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #69

Not what I'm asking. progressoid Mar 2013 #70

Some have, some haven't Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #73

The point I am trying to make, obviously unsuccessfully, corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #79

Yes. Catholics are the same or more liberal than most on many issues. DirkGently Mar 2013 #59

Good thing that's not happening. Orsino Mar 2013 #72

I actually agree with you Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #74

Yes. I think of rank-and-file Catholics... Orsino Mar 2013 #80

I can respect that stance, well stated. And now I think I will retire from this thread... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #92

And yet it does not bother you when the Pope says gay folks are the work of the devil? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #83

I would appreciate it if you more carefully read what I have posted Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #88

It's weird that states with higher percentages of catholics also tend to be solid blue hughee99 Mar 2013 #75

all religions are equally vile, Catholicism just happens to be in the news because the new pope... bowens43 Mar 2013 #76

Why are religious people so incredibly sensitive? Zoeisright Mar 2013 #85

You make Baby Jesus cry. LAGC Mar 2013 #89

The vast majority of lay Catholics know and agree that far too often Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #90

That's ludicrous straw argument. People have gone way past that. DirkGently Mar 2013 #110

Catholics Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #96

I haven't seen anyone saying Catholics are not welcome Marrah_G Mar 2013 #99

I agree with your distinction and it is big. I haven't seen anyone say Cataholics are unwelcome Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #102

ENOUGH with the persecution complex... TommyCelt Mar 2013 #103

I wish those criticising the Catholic church would be more civil about it. DCBob Mar 2013 #104