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Moonwalk

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161. How about for those who allowed pedophiles to keep molesting children? How about...
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:24 PM
Mar 2013

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...for those who kept all homosexuals, of all religions, from getting their secular rights by funneling money and such into secular politics? How about those who, just this year, refused to let insurance companies give contraception to women, whatever their religion, whatever their need or reason? (This, by the way, is rather like having an Islamic employer who refuses to give you money if you're going to use it to buy wine. Because it's against his religion, he won't see his money going to it even if you earned that money and it's no business of his how you spend it).

I'm sorry, but this isn't "karma" so much as "you reap what you sow." If the Church wants to tell its own "no contraception, no marriage for gays--etc." that's fine. But when it funnels money into politics, into making anti-gay laws that affect all gays of all religions, into taking away rules that affect all women, and keep pedophiles out there molesting children (And when it comes to child abuse, I never see DU taking sides due to religion or any other affiliation. We uniformly condemn any organization that allows and even condones it. Did you see anyone here calling others anti-Semitic for criticizing the Orthodox Jewish branch that refused to bring a rabbi to justice for molesting young girls? Did you see any here arguing against slamming Islam when criticizing an Islamic group for whipping a young girl made pregnant by her father? Is it really Catholic bashing, intolerance and bullying for us to criticize the Church for decades of allowing priests and cardinals to molest little children?)

When it does that, then your Church is not going to get a lotta love. You seem to want us to give the church a grace period, or just total forgiveness. I'm sorry, but after all it's done RECENTLY, it isn't trusted. It isn't liked. And it's on probation. YOU would say the same about the GOP. Not for the sins of Nixon or Reagan, maybe not even for what Bush & Co. did some five years ago. But for what the GOP did just this last year with it's gerrymandering and refusal to compromise on anything, etc.

Any organization that takes a political position, and funnels its money into affecting everyone's life--not just that of its members--can be and should be judged. And if we judge that it has done damage--a lot of damage for a long while, then it doesn't get a pass when it comes to criticism. And it doesn't get forgiveness. And it doesn't get a grace period. It has to earn those. You're taking this personally, but you shouldn't be. You should take this as a good thing because it's a wake-up call to the church--it makes them realize (as the GOP has not yet) that they can't do what they like with impunity, with no repercussions. And maybe, in realizing this, those who lead this organization--and decide where the money goes--will be more humble and tolerant and give more to those in its ranks who are seen as doing good (like those nuns helping the poor). And in doing so they will earn back the trust and respect of not just Catholics, but those outside of the religion who have had their rights denied because of the organization's INTOLERANCE, bullying and bigotry (for gays, for women).

The church is reaping what it sowed--and that was recently. The opinion you see of the Catholic church is not unearned or unwarranted.

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well said! liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #1
kr HiPointDem Mar 2013 #2
The church's official positions are homophobic, bigoted, and sexist. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #3
Most religions are the same. dkf Mar 2013 #34
Yes they are whathehell Mar 2013 #39
No, we criticise Islam here too; the difference is the media is in love with Catholicism muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #76
I'm well aware of what "we" do here, having been part whathehell Mar 2013 #237
The end of the protestant majority was due to the increase in the non-Christians, not catholics muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #238
Okay. whathehell Mar 2013 #239
If someone condemns a Muslim's or Catholic's humanity cpwm17 Mar 2013 #84
Many religions, orthodox Judaism is one, espouse women as a lower form of humanity whathehell Mar 2013 #236
I'm not demanding anyone do anything. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #44
Good luck criticizing most of America for being part of an evil religion. dkf Mar 2013 #49
There are 1.2 billion Catholics on the planet Tobin S. Mar 2013 #50
It's certainly not a majority. dkf Mar 2013 #57
A majority of believers, no. But a majority of Christians, yes. trotsky Mar 2013 #85
When someone posts comments to the effect that, by attending Mass, King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #96
It isn't about being personally guilty or even "giving tacit approval" of things. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #106
You should understand, there is A LOT of resentment of the way the Church has shoved ITS policies Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #173
I am not the Catholic Church King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #177
You complained about "shoving beliefs" down people's throats. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #183
well said, and it needed saying. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #217
Try this...be critical of the hierarchy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #220
Yes, you will. In fact, it's something that I've always said. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #99
I can't demand much, but since you brought it up... backscatter712 Mar 2013 #126
When you criticize Teapartiers and GOP you aren't criticizing a group of ALLIES. pnwmom Mar 2013 #137
So if a Democrat joins an anti-choice organization, or an anti-gay organization -- NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #151
Most Catholics grew up with the Church, they didn't suddenly decide to join it as adults. pnwmom Mar 2013 #165
You see, this is the problem - your belief that "it's part of the DNA" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #184
If it's not part of the DNA, it is, like some other aspects of upbringing, part of conditioning whathehell Mar 2013 #241
Anyone who's been conditioned as a child by a homophobic organisation muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #242
When I was growing up in the Sixties, the church didn't even mention homosexuality. whathehell Mar 2013 #244
Well, the RCC's attitude to women does leave a lot to be desired too muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #245
No kidding... whathehell Mar 2013 #246
No need to apologise - I agree those are at least as bad, and often worse muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #247
Well, thanks for saying that. whathehell Mar 2013 #248
"Part of the DNA"? No. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #189
That may explain your vehemence then. pnwmom Mar 2013 #203
I never demanded anything of anyone. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #204
Thank you.....n/t whathehell Mar 2013 #240
Not Catholic, but couldn't agree more. TDale313 Mar 2013 #4
no it's very different because this is a progressive board.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #11
Thank you...I'm glad the sane, non-haters are beginning to speak up. whathehell Mar 2013 #40
dont walk down the garbage-filled sidewalk sigmasix Mar 2013 #5
I agree 100% olddots Mar 2013 #14
You have to understand that a lot of the anti-Catholic feeling JDPriestly Mar 2013 #6
Well, I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition! TDale313 Mar 2013 #7
That's rather like being angry with the Federal government today, because of Sherman's march struggle4progress Mar 2013 #8
Lots of Southerners were when I was a young girl. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #10
I'm angry with the Church (the Church, not DU Catholics) for what it does today Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #227
I was responding to the prior poster's remarks about events centuries ago struggle4progress Mar 2013 #230
Right. But I'm saying, the anti-Catholic Church feeling is fueled by its actions today. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #231
Every religion has had its share of being persecuted. King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #19
I'm reminding you so that you can put some of the intolerance you feel directed JDPriestly Mar 2013 #26
Why do you slap the label of "intolerance" on me? King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #100
You say you are not ashamed of being Catholic. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #233
Karma? We justify present day bigotry *against individuals* nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #224
Today's bigotry is not justified by history, but it is explained by it. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #232
Thanks. You can add Oliver Cromwell to the pantheon of Protestant murderers of Catholics too whathehell Mar 2013 #43
Mary wasn't killed for her Catholicism atreides1 Mar 2013 #83
As I recall, the suspicion that Mary was part of the plot to kill Elizabeth was never proven whathehell Mar 2013 #213
But it's not just about history: In Same-Sex Marriage Fight, Catholic Church Gives More Than $1 Mi muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #81
My grandmother left the Catholic Church when... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #20
I hope that we will really see change especially with regard to women, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #23
I'll never live to see a female Pope, or even a bishop, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #32
I sincerely hope that the promise of the Catholic Church will become reality for JDPriestly Mar 2013 #37
My inlaws left the church when the parish priest told her RainDog Mar 2013 #36
I've heard many such stories, and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #41
Yeah, too bad Savita Halappanavar RainDog Mar 2013 #170
My friend's father in law told her that her parents were in Hell because they died Catholics.. whathehell Mar 2013 #45
This sort of thing fries me... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #51
Yes, it's terrible, isn't it? whathehell Mar 2013 #215
Karma is supposed to boomerang back on the one who King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #98
How about for those who allowed pedophiles to keep molesting children? How about... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #161
The issue isn't whether the Catholic Church is guilty of doing bad things King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #168
So, you wouldn't criticize a Southern who had a confederate flag and belonged to... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #187
But you are attacking the southerner who is standing to the guy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #223
My mom grew up in the 1930s and remembers the KKK reviling Roman Catholics Hekate Mar 2013 #9
The Catholic Church has been its own worst enemy in this respect for JDPriestly Mar 2013 #12
Do you know how many, especially in the South, opposed Jack Kennedy because of anti-Catholicism? whathehell Mar 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #180
Actually many of the people you're thinking of might've been raised Catholics themselves ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #13
no, in the heyday of the klan, it was a fundamentalist protestant movement of struggle4progress Mar 2013 #17
The heyday of the klan is not today ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #86
Hekate's remark concerned the 1930s, a time still in living memory. struggle4progress Mar 2013 #88
But all of this must've ceased before the 80s ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #89
I think that after WWII a certain fraction of Americans set out to fight prejudice struggle4progress Mar 2013 #93
I'm not anti Catholic. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #133
I have some issues with them: I don't understand their attitudes towards sexuality, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #152
That's a very good analysis. The extermination camps of WWII were a shock to the conscience... Hekate Mar 2013 #175
That happened in the teens and 1920s in my father's town as well. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2013 #78
I see what you did there. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #15
Um. You have confused fundamentalist Protestant ignorance with Roman Catholic theology Hekate Mar 2013 #25
Pretty clever there, especially for one who uses the name of a Pagan Goddess, commonly adopted Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #30
Golly Hekate Mar 2013 #38
Wanna see the same people doing this get all freaked out? The Straight Story Mar 2013 #16
Best post of the week! Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #21
Good post, TSS Hekate Mar 2013 #28
Spot on. dkf Mar 2013 #31
K/R~~~ LovingA2andMI Mar 2013 #33
using hatred against Catholics to legitimize hatred against Muslims both which happens on DU all Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #35
So you are saying Straight Story supports the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? dkf Mar 2013 #47
I'm saying that legitimizing bigotry against Muslims makes waging war on them a lot easier Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #48
Couldn't disagree more leftynyc Mar 2013 #52
So it's never occurred to you that our news media is biased AGAINST Muslims? CrawlingChaos Mar 2013 #61
Oh brother leftynyc Mar 2013 #79
Again, thanks for pointing out the obvious bias as to who "gets a pass" and who does not. n/t whathehell Mar 2013 #214
So if Catholics dislike homosexuality and Muslims kill homosexuals, who should be called on it? dkf Mar 2013 #53
to simply say that Catholics dislike Homosexuality and Muslims Kill homosexuals is as bigoted and Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #56
So am I imagining that homosexual sex is a death penalty offense in 5 Muslim countries? dkf Mar 2013 #60
I'll put it this way - I lived in the Middle East 26 years and I certainly knew lots and lots of Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #62
But we are talking about institutions and criticizing people for belonging to them... dkf Mar 2013 #63
well obviously Islam does not get a pass on DU - one would have to be extremely unobservant to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #65
Lol sorry but I have to chuckle at the idea that people are sensitive to others backgrounds and dkf Mar 2013 #67
Where do you draw the line between legitimising bigotry and attacking it? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #55
it is a rather recent event even in the Western world that enlightened attitudes have arisen Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #58
I agree with most (not all) of that, but it looks like an attempt to avoid answering the question. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #181
I don't know how you figure that Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #199
My question was "how far do you consider it legitimate to go in criticising or attacking Islam?" Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #200
I think one should exercise the same caution about stirring up religions, ethnic and sectarian Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #202
I completely disagree that opinions are due the same respect that skin colours are. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #211
Every single person here knows that preaching hatred against Muslim has gone on with impunity over Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #54
You are right, of course CrawlingChaos Mar 2013 #59
Dumb comparison michigandem58 Mar 2013 #69
"we don't really believe the BS principles we expound upon so often as liberals." sibelian Mar 2013 #74
Excellent post. cordelia Mar 2013 #75
Challenge accepted. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #112
all deity based religions are equally vile. All of them should be discouraged. bowens43 Mar 2013 #129
Nonsense. Some are far, far worse than others. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #182
Done. Thread is below. Zorra Mar 2013 #147
Islam just called. Said to tell you "Welcome to DU" Scootaloo Mar 2013 #18
HA !!! King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #22
yep Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #27
This anti-Catholic crap is WELL EARNED by the RCC. nt valerief Mar 2013 #24
If it's annoying, ignore it. dogknob Mar 2013 #29
Anger, anger everywhere... King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #103
You know I like you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #119
Thanks for the help King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #145
CFC every year we have the debate nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #146
BTW, did you know we now have the Interfaith Group... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #42
could you post a link please Douglas Carpenter Mar 2013 #64
OK... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #72
Fair enough... sendero Mar 2013 #66
It's not just the crimes done by certain individuals in the RCC. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #68
Give us real quotes instead of ones you made up michigandem58 Mar 2013 #70
I'm not Catholic but I agree with you totally and I'm glad you said it. nt Raine Mar 2013 #71
I treat the Catholic Church the same way I treat any other religion. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #73
I agree. My hope is we get some direction from the admins that this kind of bigotry needs to stop stevenleser Mar 2013 #77
it isn't bigotry to criticize error datasuspect Mar 2013 #80
I never said it was. It's bigotry to use broad brush negative generalizations for people. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #91
are you sure about that? datasuspect Mar 2013 #92
That is the very definition of bigotry : King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #107
this is the very definition of bigotry/bigot datasuspect Mar 2013 #111
Exactly. stevenleser Mar 2013 #197
well, two of them might be quite true. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #219
Nice straw man. I hope <> "Attempt to control". nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #138
A small minority? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #117
"Deal with it and own your actions." - I am not Catholic. Push that somewhere else.nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #142
I have a request. trotsky Mar 2013 #82
You know, there is a Spanish saying that applies here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #109
How can I demand it stop when no one gives evidence that it's happening? trotsky Mar 2013 #113
But people have nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #115
"Perhaps not in the words you'd like" trotsky Mar 2013 #122
In this very thread nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #124
I just took some time to read that post very carefully. trotsky Mar 2013 #130
Given the OP had the exact same interpretation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #132
I don't think the insult was necessary. trotsky Mar 2013 #135
As I said, have an excellent day nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #140
I'm sorry you deem it so unreasonable to expect people to back up their claims. trotsky Mar 2013 #166
It's not unpleasant nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #167
I've merely asked you questions trotsky Mar 2013 #171
I answered, they were insufficient nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #174
No, you didn't answer. trotsky Mar 2013 #176
Welcome to the list! zappaman Mar 2013 #207
+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Mar 2013 #193
It has nothing to do with being Catholic. Ian David Mar 2013 #87
Sorry. Nice try, but you are not the victim here. Zorra Mar 2013 #90
I'm not Catholic but the hate towards you guys is so palpable it makes my skin crawl.... Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #94
Wah wah wah. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #118
Well said. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #95
I don't hate Catholics, I do hate the Catholic Church Leadership Marrah_G Mar 2013 #97
This is not about the individual people; the Catholic Church has a huge footprint magical thyme Mar 2013 #101
"I don't shove my Catholicism down anyone's throat" truebrit71 Mar 2013 #102
Your being very selective in how you chose to read my OP King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #121
I am not recommending that you abandon your faith. That is totally different.... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #154
I hope you don't contribute to the BBC. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #143
Anti-Catholic or anti-Catholicism? There is a difference. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #104
Hold it, I was told by some that it is your imagination nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #105
I hope you cry for all discrimination. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #136
Conflating is not helping you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #139
I'll take that as a concession. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #141
You are right, defending bigotry against posters is hard to do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #144
"No one expects the Progressive Inquisition!" Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #108
This is like white folks crying about racism. nt Walk away Mar 2013 #110
Haha so true. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #120
Plenty of people defend leftynyc Mar 2013 #235
Wonderfully stated, King. Thank you from my Irish Catholic heart. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #114
Well, Ms McGillicutty King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #149
I wish I had stopped after reading corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #178
Oh yes, My Dear King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #186
Give me a break. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #116
And one way to change it King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #128
Sure pick and choose what you believe. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #134
If I stop donating money, will that make me acceptable as a Catholic? King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #155
That sounds more like wanting to stay Christian, but not Catholic ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #160
How's that changing thing working out? ohheckyeah Mar 2013 #148
Is that you, Sarah ? King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #157
seriously.... ohheckyeah Mar 2013 #159
The new head guy thinks gay marriage is Satan's work. I don't see change at the top. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #229
The Catholic church's bigotry and misogyny is getting really annoying. Apophis Mar 2013 #123
Careful. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #125
+1 darkangel218 Mar 2013 #162
If the "Catholic Church" were called the "Catholic Party" or "CatholicPAC", NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #190
Agreed. Apophis Mar 2013 #192
Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. HuckleB Mar 2013 #195
the whining about the so called 'anti catholic-crap' is getting annoying. bowens43 Mar 2013 #127
Annoying? Insulting? Try growing up in a church that only sees you as a future brood mare. LeftyMom Mar 2013 #131
The Catholic Church recently has gotten far more in your face HockeyMom Mar 2013 #150
The RCC and Evangelicals are determined to turn this nation into a Christian theocracy. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #153
They excommunicated John Kerry as a tacit endorsement of warmonger Bush Kolesar Mar 2013 #158
I read DU for hours per day and don't see the anti-Catholic crap you claim Kolesar Mar 2013 #156
Here's a beauty for ya: King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #164
Some folks are just incapable of seeing them nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #169
As you seek, so shall you find Kolesar Mar 2013 #188
It's called find an anecdote and generalize from there. HuckleB Mar 2013 #196
The accusation that I feel "persecuted", or am acting the "victim" King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #212
Truth is served by freedom and vice versa. Being capable of chosing either to stay in patrice Mar 2013 #163
I posted the same thing in GD last week. It was locked. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #172
I have a question for Catholics Dragonbreathp9d Mar 2013 #179
As a former Catholic school grad of 12 years HockeyMom Mar 2013 #191
I don't really consider stating an opinion an act of madmom Mar 2013 #185
The "Yeah for the NEW POPE!" posts are what need to go. HuckleB Mar 2013 #194
"Not ashamed"? Perhaps you should be. mr blur Mar 2013 #198
"Christian privilege"? What Christian privilege? cordelia Mar 2013 #221
From where I sit, as an Anglican . . . markpkessinger Mar 2013 #201
that's exactly what the thrust of the "accusations" have been RainDog Mar 2013 #206
Thanks for a thoughtful response. King_Klonopin Mar 2013 #210
What next..... whistler162 Mar 2013 #205
Catholic shmatholic tabasco Mar 2013 #208
I would be more impressed if you were to tell us that you were working to rhett o rick Mar 2013 #209
There ARE pedophile priests in the Church, ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #216
Its easy to bash Catholics.. DCBob Mar 2013 #218
Methinks the Irish may have a different opinion. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #222
Im talking about people who are Catholics, not the church. DCBob Mar 2013 #225
I really don't care what the Catholic Church thinks about any matter... Not Me Mar 2013 #226
The Pope, the hierarchy, and the theology should be bashed. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #228
it's not anti catholic really upi402 Mar 2013 #234
I have family members who order dominoes pizza, eat at Chik- Fillet loyalsister Mar 2013 #243
I congratulated you on your new pope in another thread but... Jasana Mar 2013 #249
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