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In reply to the discussion: This anti-Catholic crap is getting to be annoying [View all]Moonwalk
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...for those who kept all homosexuals, of all religions, from getting their secular rights by funneling money and such into secular politics? How about those who, just this year, refused to let insurance companies give contraception to women, whatever their religion, whatever their need or reason? (This, by the way, is rather like having an Islamic employer who refuses to give you money if you're going to use it to buy wine. Because it's against his religion, he won't see his money going to it even if you earned that money and it's no business of his how you spend it).
I'm sorry, but this isn't "karma" so much as "you reap what you sow." If the Church wants to tell its own "no contraception, no marriage for gays--etc." that's fine. But when it funnels money into politics, into making anti-gay laws that affect all gays of all religions, into taking away rules that affect all women, and keep pedophiles out there molesting children (And when it comes to child abuse, I never see DU taking sides due to religion or any other affiliation. We uniformly condemn any organization that allows and even condones it. Did you see anyone here calling others anti-Semitic for criticizing the Orthodox Jewish branch that refused to bring a rabbi to justice for molesting young girls? Did you see any here arguing against slamming Islam when criticizing an Islamic group for whipping a young girl made pregnant by her father? Is it really Catholic bashing, intolerance and bullying for us to criticize the Church for decades of allowing priests and cardinals to molest little children?)
When it does that, then your Church is not going to get a lotta love. You seem to want us to give the church a grace period, or just total forgiveness. I'm sorry, but after all it's done RECENTLY, it isn't trusted. It isn't liked. And it's on probation. YOU would say the same about the GOP. Not for the sins of Nixon or Reagan, maybe not even for what Bush & Co. did some five years ago. But for what the GOP did just this last year with it's gerrymandering and refusal to compromise on anything, etc.
Any organization that takes a political position, and funnels its money into affecting everyone's life--not just that of its members--can be and should be judged. And if we judge that it has done damage--a lot of damage for a long while, then it doesn't get a pass when it comes to criticism. And it doesn't get forgiveness. And it doesn't get a grace period. It has to earn those. You're taking this personally, but you shouldn't be. You should take this as a good thing because it's a wake-up call to the church--it makes them realize (as the GOP has not yet) that they can't do what they like with impunity, with no repercussions. And maybe, in realizing this, those who lead this organization--and decide where the money goes--will be more humble and tolerant and give more to those in its ranks who are seen as doing good (like those nuns helping the poor). And in doing so they will earn back the trust and respect of not just Catholics, but those outside of the religion who have had their rights denied because of the organization's INTOLERANCE, bullying and bigotry (for gays, for women).
The church is reaping what it sowed--and that was recently. The opinion you see of the Catholic church is not unearned or unwarranted.