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BainsBane

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138. not motivated by Catholicism?

Mon Mar 18, 2013, 06:00 PM

Mar 2013

You have no basis to argue that. In fact, you have ignored all evidence to the contrary. It was indeed motivated by anti-Catholicism, which was mixed with racism. You made clear earlier in this thread that you no background in American history. You are hardly in a position to determine what anything was motivated by. ANYONE who has taken a college-level US history survey class knows the Klan targeted Catholics. That is in the Wikipedia article. If you are intent on refusing to learn anything, don't post a question. But to deny evidence presented to you only makes you look dishonest.

WTF do you think Papism is?

Bigotry is ugly--nothing short of evil--no matter how anyone tries to justify it. That goes as much for the homophobia of protestant churches and the Catholic hierarchy as it does for the willfully ignorant anti-Catholic bigotry expressed by some on DU.

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Can anyone point me to any actual persecution or mass discrimination of Catholics in the US today? [View all] ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 OP

bye-bye liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #1

+1 No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #2

Yep Union Scribe Mar 2013 #31

So, in other words, you can't name anything Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #117

+1 truebrit71 Mar 2013 #226

My how liberal at heart you are! Rex Mar 2013 #100

thank you for posting this dsc Mar 2013 #3

There is no persecution of or mass discrimination against Catholics in the US today cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #4

Someone recently posted a list of "discriminated groups" that included both ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #5

That was me nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #63

In the 70s I would still occasionally hear stories about how the priests were having sex with HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24

A priest having sex with a nun? That definitely doesn't happen! nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #78

ha. ha. yeah, all priests are gay. ha. ha. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #83

I'm gay, and you took that wrong. Occulus Mar 2013 #167

There is one Catholic guy who really fits the bill... Archae Mar 2013 #6

As Bill Maher said, the Catholic League is "one guy with a FAX machine". Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #13

some of them are upset to find out not everyone is on board with them Skittles Mar 2013 #7

Though not today ( maybe) Catholics were very persicuted in the past olddots Mar 2013 #8

Those memories don't need to fade considering that no one has them ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #9

The Klan, when most influential in the 20s, pushed anti-Catholicism struggle4progress Mar 2013 #17

Agreed Sherman A1 Mar 2013 #18

Yeah...didn't people like not think Kenney was electable because he was Catholic? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #27

The Klan is mostly southern baptist. They have always hated....well, everyone. loudsue Mar 2013 #34

Indiana had the largest Klan organization of any state in the "Invisible Empire" era in the 20s, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #35

You've never lived in Indiana Kolesar Mar 2013 #102

The question under consideration is: what fraction of Indiana is Southern Baptist? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #131

Not quite; they didn't hate WHITE PROTESTANTS. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #45

A cross was burned in my Grandparents yard TexasProgresive Mar 2013 #41

They tried burning a cross in my (white) Grandparent's yard in the 1930s. ieoeja Mar 2013 #54

The KKK burned a cross in the field across from my maternal grandparents' farm house amandabeech Mar 2013 #202

Nice that your Catholic relatives were more tolerant than some of mine ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #205

I've heard about family stories like yours and I consider myself lucky. amandabeech Mar 2013 #208

Actually I don't know ANYONE in my age group who identifies as Catholic, so I don't think it matters ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #209

I hope that the booming churches are not actually personal fiefs of very conservative amandabeech Mar 2013 #210

None of that is the modern day ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #48

It wasn't that long ago. People still alive remember it. struggle4progress Mar 2013 #49

I live in an area where Catholics are actually Klan members. gordianot Mar 2013 #53

F*wittedness and a*holery seem to afflict a certain portion of the entire population of the world, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #61

I used to frequent a restaurant that in the corner had a small hook in the corner. gordianot Mar 2013 #69

I well remember the anti-Catholic rhetoric about JFK. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2013 #92

no, actually, fairly widespread anti-catholicism lasted long past the civil war. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #25

like slavery BainsBane Mar 2013 #30

I was born in the80s and never ONCE dealt with discrimination against Catholics ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #50

The Idea that because one person born in the 80's No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #97

Oh my, all the way to the 1960s at least nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #64

That doesn't sound like it'd even be enforcable at the time ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #66

Oh they did nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #67

How would they identify a potential buyer as Catholic? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #77

They did nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #79

Can you provide links to these allegations? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #86

Restrictive covenants Generic Other Mar 2013 #187

I'm aware those existed, but as noted, they refer to RACE ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #195

Not sure that people wouldn't discriminate based on names Generic Other Mar 2013 #196

But people who converted would still have those names ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #198

You know what...go to your local library nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #219

Why should anyone have to hide who or what they are in order to buy a house? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #119

Would any Catholic running for President today have a problem because they are Catholic? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #122

If they were a Liberal Catholic, they might, see Kerry. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #129

Why would a liberal Catholic be running as a Republican? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #183

You could ask the same question about any oppressed group in this country who have fought sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #191

Against blacks of course not, but against Catholics, certainly ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #193

Why? Today, in 27 States it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people in housing. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #229

I like vague generalizations nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #238

Restrictive covenants became uneforceable in the 1960s with enforcement of the original amandabeech Mar 2013 #214

I just remember the case nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #218

In 27 States it is legal today to discriminate against LGBT in housing. Today. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #230

That would be 1968 vintage with the establishment of the Fair Housing Act. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #228

Actually, my mother was a victim of anti-Catholic bigotry c.1949 - hedgehog Mar 2013 #152

That's still 64 years ago ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #155

" If you it asks you for religion on the application form you could simply lie or "decline to state" hedgehog Mar 2013 #164

64 years ago you are still capable of lying on the forms ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #166

�Vas you dere, Sharlie?� hedgehog Mar 2013 #171

Of course things have improved. I'm just wondering why the time means one couldn't lie on the form. ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #173

People knew back then, from your name, the schools you went to, hedgehog Mar 2013 #175

What if you converted? nt ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #176

You mean, avoid prejudice against Catholics by ceasing to be a Catholic? hedgehog Mar 2013 #179

Since I converted myself WITHOUT any discrimination, I don't see that as an awful proposition ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #182

Things have radically changed nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #189

I'm breaking my recently self imposed vacation on posting life long demo Mar 2013 #227

Thank you for your reasoned statement No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #232

I've actually been quite a bit more mild than plenty of other people ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #235

And let's remember that the Catholic Church persecuted non-Catholics JDPriestly Mar 2013 #11

How long is the... MicaelS Mar 2013 #57

It's silly, but it's being used more as a defense of Catholicism here ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #60

Probably really, really long depending on the degree of tolerance and acceptance JDPriestly Mar 2013 #160

What do you mean by "persecuted" JDPriestly Mar 2013 #12

In the us it took the form nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #72

How do you deny Catholics service at eating establishments? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #84

My lord, should we recommend some history books? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #154

Then I'm legitimately curious ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #156

Very easy, people self identified nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #159

That sounds more like straight racism than anti-Catholicism ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #161

No, it was bigotry against papist. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #168

So let's say one of those immigrants converted ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #172

In the 19th century you were no longer a Catholic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #180

I'm not even 30, and I live in Minneapolis ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #181

That explains it. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #184

"Tribes of New York is a good movie." zappaman Mar 2013 #186

"Denial of service at eating establishments was also common" zappaman Mar 2013 #99

So it seems the current "persection" of Catholics amounts Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #114

Maryland was Catholic as I understand it. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #121

I can relate to that pretty well ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #126

Separate issue separation of church and state nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #157

Sorry. I disagree. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #199

Misunderstood. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #201

I agree with this: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #203

Yup, but I want to separate what we are seeing here on the ol' DU nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #204

I've read that the strong prejudice against the Irish, the French Cajuns, and the Polish aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #128

Yes. And think about the schism in Ireland between Protestants and Catholics, JDPriestly Mar 2013 #169

I can assure you the latter part is not true ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #174

You may be right and, if so, I apologize for the wrong information. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #197

It comes down to something really, really, simple - called principle The Straight Story Mar 2013 #10

I agree. Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #14

how many of those priests are women? Skittles Mar 2013 #16

My god...the irony. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #28

The Catholic Church is perceived as a monolithic entity. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #136

Is that needed in order to demonstrate civility toward DU'ers who are Catholic? Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #15

Thank you. n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #21

Good post. Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #52

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #62

no, but there's a lot of ugly bigotry against Catholics here, honey. cali Mar 2013 #19

After Two Thousand Years Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #20

Catholics were a key group SUPPORTING marriage equality in the state of Washington. pnwmom Mar 2013 #22

We're talking about two different things here. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #26

As the nun said on 60 Minutes last night, "I AM the Church." pnwmom Mar 2013 #59

There is a hierachy in the Catholic Church Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #90

It's funny how much more recognition outsiders give to the self-appointed hierarchy pnwmom Mar 2013 #177

Which was, of course, Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #200

No, she isn't, at least judging by what it officially stands for. alarimer Mar 2013 #120

Yes, she is, according to Vatican 2 and the Catholics who accepted it. nt pnwmom Mar 2013 #178

So then why do those voters stay Catholic? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #42

Most Catholics would rather try to change the Church from within. pnwmom Mar 2013 #55

I never got that impression growing up ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #82

Feminists, try to find a Christian church that does NOT have an all-male Trinity. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #212

Sure ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #221

Where is that taught in any major denomination? Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #240

......still waiting........(taps foot) Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #242

"I've stayed away from the Catholic bashing on this board" Union Scribe Mar 2013 #32

I've posted exactly 3 posts on this subject Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #33

Being a yeoman is somebody assistive or loyal to a cause. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #36

Then the poster gives me much more Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #37

Kinda sad ain't it? Rex Mar 2013 #98

Great example of cartach Mar 2013 #23

Here is a summary BainsBane Mar 2013 #29

Thank you, I know the history well life long demo Mar 2013 #40

You are talking about anti immigrant, not anti-Catholic ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #43

Did you not read the article at all? WinkyDink Mar 2013 #46

Yes and most of it is not contemporary ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #47

not motivated by Catholicism? BainsBane Mar 2013 #138

The Klan is not contemporary ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #141

I am pointing the history and current state BainsBane Mar 2013 #88

Let's imagine all Catholic undocumented immigrants in the US converted to Protestant ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #125

Let's imagine they all turned white BainsBane Mar 2013 #140

Actually many Hispanics are converting to Protestantism so it's not that absurd ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #142

tell them to come over to my place RedstDem Mar 2013 #38

It's certainly east to point out anti-Catholic biases on the internets. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #39

Quite obviously, the "last acceptable prejudice" is about WEIGHT. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #44

After the Catholic Church whined about how birth control was religious persecution, they geek tragedy Mar 2013 #51

Our neighbor forbade their daughter playing with my sister in elementary school. ieoeja Mar 2013 #56

Which Republican won most Religious Right Bible Belt voters for the GOP nomination? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #58

If you define the relevant time period as not "before the 90s" then you probably won't find a lot onenote Mar 2013 #65

I was born in the 80s, so I've never seen anything like this ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #70

In the 80s, I dated a marriage counselor onenote Mar 2013 #74

But in this case it was all from the Catholic side ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #76

Something else I'll point out... ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #81

One of my brothers married a wonderful corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #113

If that marriage had taken place in the 60's - before Vatican II - hedgehog Mar 2013 #158

...or you could've just got married outside the church ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #163

I don't think more people are ok with expressing racism SpartanDem Mar 2013 #87

America elected a Black President twice Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #68

My parents were married in 1981. My father's side of the family had no one who had any problems ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #71

My Catholic niece married a fundie two years ago. Her family was furious. Mine couldn't care less. ieoeja Mar 2013 #73

Would fundies be OK with them marrying a liberal Lutheran like my father's side of the family? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #75

I believe mainstream protestants view Lutherans as Catholic-Lite. So, yes, they would not like it. ieoeja Mar 2013 #94

Who would call me a papist in middle school in the 90s? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #95

Thanks for an open civil discussion. Peace n/t Tom Rinaldo Mar 2013 #80

No. treestar Mar 2013 #85

Offhand, the only one I can think of is Mel Gibson, and I'm not sure if he's considered Zorra Mar 2013 #89

Would you defend a picture of MLK covered in shit? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #91

As I'm still a Christian, I "should" find that offensive but I don't ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #96

That is some kind of distortion of a story Kolesar Mar 2013 #104

So you WOULD support people shitting on a picture of MLK joeglow3 Mar 2013 #107

You got nothing, Joe Kolesar Mar 2013 #108

You are right. I asked a question and have received NOTHING. joeglow3 Mar 2013 #109

No, I mean you are distorting the story Kolesar Mar 2013 #110

And Piss Christ is great art that is not offensive either, right? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #111

Piss Christ is neither great art, nor something worth getting worked up over ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #123

You have the facts straight from Rudy G, not from reality. The work of religious art you speak of is Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #231

It's easier to point out discrimination the church has committed over the millenia. Apophis Mar 2013 #93

No, there is none in modern times. Rex Mar 2013 #101

Heck, six of the nine Supreme Court justices are Catholic Kolesar Mar 2013 #103

And the answer is, no. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #105

But, but, people are saying MEAN things on the Internet!!! Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #115

Catholics on DU have been treated badly. Accept it. DevonRex Mar 2013 #106

Nobody has mentioned anything from current times, though. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #118

I can tell you, since I was raised Southern fundamentalist, DevonRex Mar 2013 #124

Well, there is always prejudice against various groups (Catholics, women, gays, blacks, on and on) Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #132

Does that have to happen before you have a civil tongue in your head DevonRex Mar 2013 #139

I was referring back to the question posed in the OP. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #143

Ask the unitarians in Knoxville about being killed in church by a nut. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #213

When my parents got married, no one on my father's side of the family objected ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #135

How nice for you. And, as a matter of fact, they blame him for me being a Democrat. DevonRex Mar 2013 #145

Some Catholics in this country vote for Democrats and liberal ideals. It's about 50/50. ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #148

My point is simply that fundies don't like liberal Protestants any more than Catholics nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #220

Of course it is ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #222

Posting your own family history over and over No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #151

Amen. Some, IMHO, have to keep stirring the pot or corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #130

Yeah. DevonRex Mar 2013 #134

Yes, you're correct. No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #153

The Irish that came here in the 1800's.............. mrmpa Mar 2013 #112

The OP is about "today" though. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #116

The claim that Catholics are mass discriminated against is nonsensical. bluestate10 Mar 2013 #127

That's because no one here on this site is actually saying that. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #217

The way I see it is the persecution is on the leadership for continuing the old ways LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #133

That's part of why my mom has all but converted to Lutheran now ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #137

I was raised Lutheran and of course there was trashing of Catholics LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #190

Well, glad you settled it. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #144

It's more of a response to the claim that what we see on DU is some type of modern day Know Nothing ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #146

But you're playing an ultimate strawman. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #149

It's why though I encourage people to leave. I basically got my mom to convert. ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #150

It is none of your fucking business to "encourage people to leave" any religion. DevonRex Mar 2013 #165

You think the ELCA shares Luther's anti-semitism? ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #170

Jesuit Priests honored as The Righteous Among The Nations: DevonRex Mar 2013 #188

Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #194

I can tell you about Lutheran "kindness". Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #215

Missouri Synod is a pretty conservative branch. My family is ELCA ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #223

So? Missouri Synod is still Lutheran. You said nothing to contradict me. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #241

Well, thank you very much, but I have no desire to leave. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #216

Which is precisely the intent BainsBane Mar 2013 #147

I've encountered some in the south marshall Mar 2013 #162

Have a mirror nearby? corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #185

No. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #192

Actually, it really does exist. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #206

Actually it's because I've never seen it in my life. Ever. ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #207

Perhaps I misunderstood your intent. davidthegnome Mar 2013 #211

While the latter part is true, Catholics all can leave ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #224

Hold it...since you left you can't comprehend why others don't nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #225

Ms B, I commend you for your patience in responding No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #233

This might clarify it a bit more ButterflyBlood Mar 2013 #236

Not at all nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #239

I'll ask my neighbor, who is somehow convinced NoGOPZone Mar 2013 #234

That's funny, because Latino immigration is the only thing keeping the Catholic Church numbers up. LAGC Mar 2013 #237