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In reply to the discussion: Do you think the purpose of feminist theory [View all]Raine1967
(11,676 posts)174. I never said you needed anything.
I never spoke of need.
I never suggested you stop writing. I also never asked you to care about my opinion. What I Did say is that I am going to post my opinion on DU. How you managed to twist this around is baffling.
Also, I didn't use the word alienate -- or any form of it. That was you. I'm going to ask that you don't apply to me something you yourself said. That is dishonest.
Try not to misinterpret the things I say. Own your words, Boston Bean. I never said what you seem to think I did. Here is what I wrote:
Please don't feign ignorance.
You and I are both smarter than that.
I do understand that you speak out against the patriarchy, but the opposite shouldn't be some bizarre form of matriarchy from a small and vocal group of women on DU who decide to go after other women that might disagree with the way they deliver the message. There are places I choose not to post on DU -- you response to me is exactly why I don't post in some groups.
Yes, the way the message is delivered by a few on DU is a problem for myself. Yes, you lectured me. You chose to come after me for agreeing with someone else that I suspect you don't agree with. You came after me. Had I chosen to respond to you directly here in this thread, I would have. I didn't.
I suspect you might not like reading these words, but they are mine. There is a lot of talk about patriarchy in society on DU -- in the recent past said patriarchy has been directed at the members of DU. That is where I take issue.
I believe patriarchy should be discussed. That said, there are ways to deliver the message that might not alienate people, especially here on this board, and especially here in GD. Sometimes I think the sexism is just as bad as some matriarchy I see here. Women who deem to speak on behalf of all women on DU -- they are the ones who refuse to accept that perhaps people might not agree with the MESSAGE DELIVERY.
I suspect I shall be further reprimanded and scolded -- and given snark or whatever idiotic method of shaming for not agreeing with your presentation. So be it.
You and I are both smarter than that.
I do understand that you speak out against the patriarchy, but the opposite shouldn't be some bizarre form of matriarchy from a small and vocal group of women on DU who decide to go after other women that might disagree with the way they deliver the message. There are places I choose not to post on DU -- you response to me is exactly why I don't post in some groups.
Yes, the way the message is delivered by a few on DU is a problem for myself. Yes, you lectured me. You chose to come after me for agreeing with someone else that I suspect you don't agree with. You came after me. Had I chosen to respond to you directly here in this thread, I would have. I didn't.
I suspect you might not like reading these words, but they are mine. There is a lot of talk about patriarchy in society on DU -- in the recent past said patriarchy has been directed at the members of DU. That is where I take issue.
I believe patriarchy should be discussed. That said, there are ways to deliver the message that might not alienate people, especially here on this board, and especially here in GD. Sometimes I think the sexism is just as bad as some matriarchy I see here. Women who deem to speak on behalf of all women on DU -- they are the ones who refuse to accept that perhaps people might not agree with the MESSAGE DELIVERY.
I suspect I shall be further reprimanded and scolded -- and given snark or whatever idiotic method of shaming for not agreeing with your presentation. So be it.
And here is your response:
You are alienating me with your post.
making all sorts of false accusations.
making all sorts of false accusations.
So, I have to ask, how did you come up with this response?
You aren't looking for legitimate discussion with you OP, I suspect. I think at this point, you might be looking to fight with people who may disagree with your approach.
Or, as I said: Message Delivery.
There can be no delivery if people twist words of fellow members of DU. At a certain point, twisting words to fit a dynamic hurts legitimacy of a cause -- in my opinion.
I'm not alienating you. I'm simply trying to tell you how I feel. You don't have to agree, I respect that, but don't try to say I said something that I didn't say. I own what I write here on DU the same way I own my actions and words in the world.
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Yeah, surprisingly men have the whole gamut of emotions at our disposal as well. nt
Bonobo
Mar 2013
#58
Yes, your personal attack on feminists who say stuff that makes you as a man
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#100
"white knight" ah, the term of derision used by anti-feminist men to describe
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#110
Yeah, your constant whining about feminists and posting anti-feminist rants
geek tragedy
Mar 2013
#127
confused. raising hand here. white knight bad when allied with feminist. good when pulling out chair
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#157
wow. just wow. shit like this, the so obvious in your face crap that people pretend they do not see.
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#161
We have a history of butting heads.. tho I will agree she can be quite reasonable at times..
opiate69
Mar 2013
#202
Fair enough. The "tone argument" is fairly pointless no matter who uses it.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2013
#206
Phrases like "you little man" & "you men" certainly contribute to the men-are-the-enemy perception.
pacalo
Mar 2013
#184
I speak for myself. Thanks for trying to give me more power, but I reject it just the same.
boston bean
Mar 2013
#98
Okay. I'm confused. I just think women are superior. Normally men think they are.
talkingmime
Mar 2013
#130
If women are superior, and comparatively precious, then we're doing all the wrong things.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#143
I honestly can't say about every woman, but probably. Certainly any child.
talkingmime
Mar 2013
#150
We're not talking about children. We're talking about women. They are different things.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#159
I think the purpose of feminist "theory" is to create a mental model for understanding things
Recursion
Mar 2013
#140
"There are as many purposes of feminist practice as there are practitioners of feminism." Good point
nomorenomore08
Mar 2013
#204
I think it's worth making the distinction between feminist theory and its practical application. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#142
To explain historic gender relations and to deconstruct assumptions about those relations. nt
Deep13
Mar 2013
#153
I am certain that its purpose is NOT to bash and/or criticize men...
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2013
#186
Feminist theory as used in 2013 is not "the old standby" you are operating under.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#213