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cthulu2016

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23. Some rates changes can. New and/or unexpected taxes cannot.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 08:22 PM
Mar 2013

re: And where does it say that in the Constitution?

In US law a rate change to an existing tax can be retroactive, but a wholly new tax cannot, particularly when, as is the case in Cyprus, it imposes a tax on an activity that was undertaken with the expectation of no tax at all (!)

If Cyprus were the 51st state, under the 5th Amendment the Cyprus solution would be struck down.

Blodgett v. Holden and Untermyer v. Anderson struck down the retroactive application of the federal gift tax, establishing the "wholly new" standard.

The most recent judicial description of the standard is that a “wholly new tax” is a tax that “could not reasonably have been anticipated by the taxpayer at the time of the transaction.”

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Could set off a run on the banks in Greece .... dawg Mar 2013 #1
The thing is, what could reassure anyone? cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #2
Well, the only reason they did it in Cyprus ... dawg Mar 2013 #3
Fuck Greece dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #11
Horrifically unfair. If asset taxes are coming, we need to do it right. reformist2 Mar 2013 #4
Who is "we" ... oldhippie Mar 2013 #14
Never fear, those depositors with accounts over 100K were given every opporunity overnight Earth_First Mar 2013 #5
Uh, no ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #7
. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #6
I've got some DJ friends who live in Athens MrScorpio Mar 2013 #8
I guess "deposit insurance" did not mean what the depositors thought it meant (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #9
I don't think deposit insurance is intended ..... oldhippie Mar 2013 #15
If Chase needed to be bailed out, and the Government helped pay for the bailout by taking money Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #17
Kind of the same way a lot of folks felt .... oldhippie Mar 2013 #18
I had a feeling their Parliament wouldn't go for this ...... oldhippie Mar 2013 #30
An ex post facto tax is not really a tax. This is straight up confiscation. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #21
And where does it say that .... oldhippie Mar 2013 #22
Some rates changes can. New and/or unexpected taxes cannot. cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #23
Interesting. Thank you oldhippie Mar 2013 #24
Sorry for the snark. I am assuming that whatever Cyprus is doing is something cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #25
Well, I closed all my United Cypriot Bank accounts MineralMan Mar 2013 #10
Pssst. Let me know if you hear anything about .... oldhippie Mar 2013 #16
Every man for himself - That's my motto. MineralMan Mar 2013 #19
You did this and didn't inform the world? Renew Deal Mar 2013 #27
Couple of things ....... oldhippie Mar 2013 #12
The Russian thing is a red herring to make people ok with it, but the truth is the tax is abritrary. reformist2 Mar 2013 #20
btw - the figures in that article were out of date by the time they published. dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #13
They are out to loot the Russian oligarchs who hide lots of money in Cyprus malaise Mar 2013 #26
Doesn't seem wise does it? nt abelenkpe Mar 2013 #28
Message auto-removed C.H.O.M.P.S. Mar 2013 #29
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