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In reply to the discussion: My take on sexism [View all]

Springslips

(533 posts)
75. Wrong
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 07:33 PM
Mar 2013

Obviously sexism effect women negatively. I am not saying that it doesn't exist or isn't a problem for woman. It does, is, and it needs to be discussed. But what you wrote is a big whooping distortion and doesn't help.

Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance


As a teenager I was skinny, thin. I had a high metabolism and no matter how much I ate I couldn't gain weight. My brother was likewise. We were often tormented for this. We were called wimps, sissies, skeletons, tooth pick because we didn't have the bodies I once heard, while standing around a corner, a discussion by classmates, women, joking how disgusting it would be to date me. At basketball games, mothers from the opposing team would call my brother and I "Ethiopians".

Fat men, although feminists (a group whose goal I support) seem to think get a pass, are equally made fun of. Both men and women skewer them, call them pigs, fat asses and other names. Short guys are looked as not being real men. Short, fat, bald guys are highly stereotyped in the media. See the verison commercial. Guys with glasses, not big in stature, weak, and unassuming are called nerds, dorks, geeks.

Never are we called names for being strong, intelligent and assertive.


Wrong.

Being strong and assertive will get you the names jerk, asshole, dickhead, douchebag. Men who hold power positions are called just as many names as woman who do. I, as a man, just see it as a part of being a leader. Many woman see it as an attach on their gender, not realizing that it is part of being in a position of power. Sure, they use 'bitch', which is a gender specific term and does imply a bit of sexism, but the main motivation is a reaction against assertiveness from the sensitive

paid less, bear children


Ok well you are right on bearing children. Woman, though, can choose that or not. They have more choices now than they did in yesteryear. The glass ceiling needs to go, yes.

stop fucking whining that woman have been maligned simply for being a woman and work to make it all equal.


Straw man logical fallacy. Not to many people here are complaining that woman are fighting for equal rights. Retort each argument you are against individually. Just lumping it all together, labeling it as a complaint against gender equality, and then refuting that doesn't logically counter individual argument.

So what if now and then we get the short end of something, it pales in comparison to what the Patriocracy has done


Depends on what you mean. Of course, equality mean that men lose the ill gotten gain of privilege, I am fine with that. So I can't buy a wife from the family next door, good! But lets say the fact there may be some reason to believe that boys are being stereotyped in school effecting their education. Should I just accept that because woman were deprived of the vote in the past? No. Just because woman were wronged in the past doesn't mean that issues effecting men should be ignored, when it isn't about a gain for men at the expense for woman.

war is male history


You thought shows an unsophistication. This is hugely stereotypical. It makes men sort of animal like, brutal, a missing link, based on the fact that Patriocracy put men in the lead and therefor it must be a male characteristic. That ignores history, psychopathy, power lust, paranoia, fear, the human need to create an other, alienate the other, and demonize the other--all faults shared by both genders. Patriocractic memes are spread by both men and woman. Both men and woman lead a historic charge to war. Both gain the spoils of it. Queen Elisabeth and Joan of Arch were warmongers. Queen Mary also dwelled in violence. Dissenters who were men were often bashed by woman during recent wars. You may say that was from Patriocracy, I agree, but Patriocracy stems from both genders. Both suffer from it. That is the point.

I think your entire post is going the wrong way. You distort via absolutes, either/or, straw man, appeal to stereotype, appeal to gender, and shaming. I think maybe you would make better, clearer points going at specific arguments you wish to refute here, than by making a general attach.

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My take on sexism [View all] libtodeath Mar 2013 OP
Trashing thread #15... UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #1
Oh,that so hurts me libtodeath Mar 2013 #2
Oh course you can. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #3
Please do then n/t libtodeath Mar 2013 #4
of course you are. trumad Mar 2013 #5
... redqueen Mar 2013 #28
No man has ever been criticized for his "body shape or appearance"? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #6
Fair enough and now thinking I worded that wrong but still does not change the fact libtodeath Mar 2013 #8
OK, that I can agree with. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #11
The criticism of Chris Christie comes to mind loyalsister Mar 2013 #12
You beat me to it. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #13
Sexism will not go away until men speak to men --in these terms marions ghost Mar 2013 #7
someone should speak to him about his room arely staircase Mar 2013 #9
Kind of what I was thinking. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #14
Yeah whut a Spongebob marions ghost Mar 2013 #17
huh? he is a slob! arely staircase Mar 2013 #19
He's married marions ghost Mar 2013 #25
wow - way tmi! arely staircase Mar 2013 #26
I don't know I'll ask em marions ghost Mar 2013 #30
well we know he had four minutes and 8 seconds free recently arely staircase Mar 2013 #36
I talked to him and he sent this pic marions ghost Mar 2013 #40
what? arely staircase Mar 2013 #41
OK so he cleaned up and is waiting for his doggie treat: marions ghost Mar 2013 #46
well done, the cleaning (or given the tight framing i still suspect a disaster off-sceen) arely staircase Mar 2013 #50
So glad you agree he makes good points marions ghost Mar 2013 #70
i am pretty sure that neither i nor other men are the intended target audience eom arely staircase Mar 2013 #71
OK so you're not a guy? marions ghost Mar 2013 #72
that was a joke, implying he was doing it to impress his girlfriend arely staircase Mar 2013 #73
I'll second that--date-raping is so ungentlemanly marions ghost Mar 2013 #74
"Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance." zappaman Mar 2013 #10
"Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance." NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #15
Read what I wrote above about choosing words better libtodeath Mar 2013 #18
Seizing on minor quibbles, focusing on them to the exclusion of the message, and nitpicking an issue redqueen Mar 2013 #29
Yes, such minor quibbles we have. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #45
I have been on DU since 2001 and have only 2 people on ignore MattBaggins Mar 2013 #51
Add me then too because I dont want a misogynist any where near me libtodeath Mar 2013 #55
I'm fairly certain I am not a misogynist MattBaggins Mar 2013 #65
Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance? arely staircase Mar 2013 #16
An ad from the 50s (?) when women were expected to shut up and cook dinner is your reply? libtodeath Mar 2013 #20
The 50s? I remember seeing ads just like that when I was a kid in the 80s. opiate69 Mar 2013 #22
lol arely staircase Mar 2013 #23
Is it wrong to laugh at this? LittleBlue Mar 2013 #21
my dad said he actually ordered the charles atlas book arely staircase Mar 2013 #24
Thank you, libtodeath. love_katz Mar 2013 #27
+++++ marions ghost Mar 2013 #32
Look at some of the replies here that fixate on a admitted poorly worded phrase libtodeath Mar 2013 #33
A bottomless ocean of sad. love_katz Mar 2013 #34
I'm sorry for being born male RantinRavin Mar 2013 #31
That is not the point. love_katz Mar 2013 #37
LOL Skittles Mar 2013 #76
Pardon me for having an outie. 99Forever Mar 2013 #35
Being silent fixes it? libtodeath Mar 2013 #39
Brow beating your allies is such a brilliant strategy. 99Forever Mar 2013 #42
Pretending it doesnt exist helps no one get beyond it. libtodeath Mar 2013 #43
Pretending to know what others think makes one a fool. 99Forever Mar 2013 #44
What you think is pretty obvious libtodeath Mar 2013 #47
Really? 99Forever Mar 2013 #48
Trying to pretend cultural sexism does not exist speaks for itself libtodeath Mar 2013 #49
Not even close. 99Forever Mar 2013 #52
Not you libtodeath Mar 2013 #56
Thank you for that. 99Forever Mar 2013 #59
Yeah,I can hold my head high libtodeath Mar 2013 #61
Well alrighty then. 99Forever Mar 2013 #63
Glad to see another guy speaking out Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #38
Never called names for being strong or assertive kudzu22 Mar 2013 #53
Another thought which has occurred to me... love_katz Mar 2013 #54
Thanks for this Kalidurga Mar 2013 #57
Look at posts on this thread libtodeath Mar 2013 #60
LOL I did Kalidurga Mar 2013 #66
You also have a bad case of reaction formation upaloopa Mar 2013 #69
What is it that makes a person want to tell upaloopa Mar 2013 #58
Sorry,saying that women should not be treated as inferior is a bad thing? libtodeath Mar 2013 #62
Maybe if I asked but I think inferring that we need your superior intellect because we can't think upaloopa Mar 2013 #67
Reaction formation upaloopa Mar 2013 #68
All forms of discrimination and injustice hurt us all. love_katz Mar 2013 #64
Wrong Springslips Mar 2013 #75
K&R. I think it would be helpful if you removed two sentences in your op. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #77
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