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In reply to the discussion: My take on sexism [View all]Springslips
(533 posts)75. Wrong
Obviously sexism effect women negatively. I am not saying that it doesn't exist or isn't a problem for woman. It does, is, and it needs to be discussed. But what you wrote is a big whooping distortion and doesn't help.
Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance
As a teenager I was skinny, thin. I had a high metabolism and no matter how much I ate I couldn't gain weight. My brother was likewise. We were often tormented for this. We were called wimps, sissies, skeletons, tooth pick because we didn't have the bodies I once heard, while standing around a corner, a discussion by classmates, women, joking how disgusting it would be to date me. At basketball games, mothers from the opposing team would call my brother and I "Ethiopians".
Fat men, although feminists (a group whose goal I support) seem to think get a pass, are equally made fun of. Both men and women skewer them, call them pigs, fat asses and other names. Short guys are looked as not being real men. Short, fat, bald guys are highly stereotyped in the media. See the verison commercial. Guys with glasses, not big in stature, weak, and unassuming are called nerds, dorks, geeks.
Never are we called names for being strong, intelligent and assertive.
Wrong.
Being strong and assertive will get you the names jerk, asshole, dickhead, douchebag. Men who hold power positions are called just as many names as woman who do. I, as a man, just see it as a part of being a leader. Many woman see it as an attach on their gender, not realizing that it is part of being in a position of power. Sure, they use 'bitch', which is a gender specific term and does imply a bit of sexism, but the main motivation is a reaction against assertiveness from the sensitive
paid less, bear children
Ok well you are right on bearing children. Woman, though, can choose that or not. They have more choices now than they did in yesteryear. The glass ceiling needs to go, yes.
stop fucking whining that woman have been maligned simply for being a woman and work to make it all equal.
Straw man logical fallacy. Not to many people here are complaining that woman are fighting for equal rights. Retort each argument you are against individually. Just lumping it all together, labeling it as a complaint against gender equality, and then refuting that doesn't logically counter individual argument.
So what if now and then we get the short end of something, it pales in comparison to what the Patriocracy has done
Depends on what you mean. Of course, equality mean that men lose the ill gotten gain of privilege, I am fine with that. So I can't buy a wife from the family next door, good! But lets say the fact there may be some reason to believe that boys are being stereotyped in school effecting their education. Should I just accept that because woman were deprived of the vote in the past? No. Just because woman were wronged in the past doesn't mean that issues effecting men should be ignored, when it isn't about a gain for men at the expense for woman.
war is male history
You thought shows an unsophistication. This is hugely stereotypical. It makes men sort of animal like, brutal, a missing link, based on the fact that Patriocracy put men in the lead and therefor it must be a male characteristic. That ignores history, psychopathy, power lust, paranoia, fear, the human need to create an other, alienate the other, and demonize the other--all faults shared by both genders. Patriocractic memes are spread by both men and woman. Both men and woman lead a historic charge to war. Both gain the spoils of it. Queen Elisabeth and Joan of Arch were warmongers. Queen Mary also dwelled in violence. Dissenters who were men were often bashed by woman during recent wars. You may say that was from Patriocracy, I agree, but Patriocracy stems from both genders. Both suffer from it. That is the point.
I think your entire post is going the wrong way. You distort via absolutes, either/or, straw man, appeal to stereotype, appeal to gender, and shaming. I think maybe you would make better, clearer points going at specific arguments you wish to refute here, than by making a general attach.
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Fair enough and now thinking I worded that wrong but still does not change the fact
libtodeath
Mar 2013
#8
well done, the cleaning (or given the tight framing i still suspect a disaster off-sceen)
arely staircase
Mar 2013
#50
i am pretty sure that neither i nor other men are the intended target audience eom
arely staircase
Mar 2013
#71
"Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance."
zappaman
Mar 2013
#10
"Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance."
NaturalHigh
Mar 2013
#15
Seizing on minor quibbles, focusing on them to the exclusion of the message, and nitpicking an issue
redqueen
Mar 2013
#29
Never are we called into question or dismissed for our body shape or appearance?
arely staircase
Mar 2013
#16
An ad from the 50s (?) when women were expected to shut up and cook dinner is your reply?
libtodeath
Mar 2013
#20
Look at some of the replies here that fixate on a admitted poorly worded phrase
libtodeath
Mar 2013
#33