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jwirr

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49. I am not concerned about the damned flag. I am concerned about losing supporters because of

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 04:43 PM

Feb 2012

burning the flag. OWS claims to represent the 99%. Do you think there might be a few of the 99% who do not think burning the flag is necessary? We need all the support we can get in this fight and this is not the way to get it. Those pictures you showed above are the way to get it.

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you're 'concerned' about flag burning -- this is what you should be 'concerned' about [View all] xchrom Feb 2012 OP

the thing worse than flag burning is the the thing that causes flag burning phantom power Feb 2012 #1

you wouldn't know it from the 'concerned' around here. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #3

They are the Concernvatives. Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #19

yes Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #13

All that is meaningless because a piece of cloth was burned in Oakland Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #2

wait... let me go get mine and we can clutch them in tandem. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #4

*mutual* pearl-clutching? kinky! and in public, too, no less MisterP Feb 2012 #41

The people who already don't support OWS won't support them even MORE now MNBrewer Feb 2012 #6

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #5

it's a weird threat. xchrom Feb 2012 #7

That way they can reassure themselves that they are essentially well-meaning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #8

well put! nt sudopod Feb 2012 #10

They were just waiting notundecided Feb 2012 #14

Yup. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #18

Indeed! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #84

And how exactly did burning a flag help the homeless? hack89 Feb 2012 #9

You're more worried about the symptoms than the disease. sudopod Feb 2012 #12

In this case stupidity seems to be the disease hack89 Feb 2012 #16

Do you really enjoy repeatedly missing the poster's point on purpose? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #17

Stupidity in support of a good cause is still stupidity hack89 Feb 2012 #20

OP is discussing the causes that led to the formation of OWS, not the tactics of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #22

So we can't discuss actions that undermine support for those causes? Ok nt hack89 Feb 2012 #24

There is a time and a place for every thing. This thread was not created to be that place. sudopod Feb 2012 #27

I look at things from a practical aspect - I am not into metaphysical navel gazing hack89 Feb 2012 #31

I am not into metaphysical navel gazing... sudopod Feb 2012 #33

You are upset because I sullied yet another OP telling the great unwashed hack89 Feb 2012 #34

In other words, you didn't read the OP, did you? sudopod Feb 2012 #35

I did - it is a common theme here hack89 Feb 2012 #36

:3 sudopod Feb 2012 #38

That's the kind of intellectual and moral superiority that is going to take OWS far hack89 Feb 2012 #40

The OP pointed out examples the injustices in our country that led to the formation of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #42

Show me where I said I was upset. All I said is that OWS was fucking stupid to burn a flag hack89 Feb 2012 #43

"All I said is that " sudopod Feb 2012 #44

Because you refuse to accept that perhaps OWS is capable of making a mistake. hack89 Feb 2012 #47

OWS didn't agree to burn that flag but it would be too difficult to explian that EFerrari Feb 2012 #45

Is that why we are seeing such widespread condemnation from OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #48

Maybe OWS is focusing on the real violence of last weekend EFerrari Feb 2012 #50

I am focusing on actions that damage OWS' image hack89 Feb 2012 #64

Too bad you don't show the same concern for the actual people who were hurt this weekend. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #65

It bothers me a lot - the Oakland PD are a bunch of thugs hack89 Feb 2012 #67

Do you believe you made a mistake when you beat your wife, hack89? sudopod Feb 2012 #51

But I love OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #62

Talk about puffed up self important acolytes bahrbearian Feb 2012 #69

Trust me - I am hack89 Feb 2012 #70

That's good. however, why even bring up the flag burning then? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #88

Metaphysics, morality and intellectualism have no place in civil disobedience. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #93

No - kicking potential supporters in the nuts has no place in civil disobedience. hack89 Feb 2012 #94

How did burning the flag help the Vietnam protests? L0oniX Feb 2012 #83

They didn't hack89 Feb 2012 #85

No one is saying that burning a flag is going to change anything ... L0oniX Feb 2012 #90

Well, considering the violent confrontation at the 68 Democratic convention, I would say yes. hack89 Feb 2012 #91

I agree there are far more important problems... redqueen Feb 2012 #11

The folks who are so concerned about the flag burning are TriMera Feb 2012 #15

What are people supposed to DO about those problems? hfojvt Feb 2012 #21

Driving 15 miles to the football stadium doesn't seem to help the Jets, does it? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #25

who does THAT anyway? hfojvt Feb 2012 #56

Occupy Oakland was doing a lot and they want their own space to continue serving the community... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #29

Evidently, they are going to bitch about a flag burning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #32

It's not a zero sum thing, really. MineralMan Feb 2012 #23

that guy in the wheelchair obviously knows nothing about the symbolism of that flag, right? msongs Feb 2012 #26

indeed. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #28

K&R (nt) T S Justly Feb 2012 #30

I tend to think that in some quarters, once OWS didn't become the "Democrat's tea party" TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #37

+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #39

Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #46

Beautifully stated. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #61

So folks like you trying to whittle the 99% down to a much smaller number hack89 Feb 2012 #68

I am not concerned about the damned flag. I am concerned about losing supporters because of jwirr Feb 2012 #49

Don't you think that most reasonable people can look at what happened EFerrari Feb 2012 #54

I hope so. In almost every protest I have witnessed since the 60s there have been fringe groups jwirr Feb 2012 #59

No because OWS has made a point Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #89

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #52

Not an either/or proposition leftynyc Feb 2012 #53

I do believe with some people it is an either/or problem. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #58

But what gets accomplished? leftynyc Feb 2012 #77

I have some qualms with the case in Oakland as it wasn't their own flag which they burned, however Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #80

I totally agree that the flag is merely leftynyc Feb 2012 #81

I don't know, maybe they were plants or perhaps their youthful frustation with the pace of the Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #86

I hope so leftynyc Feb 2012 #87

+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #92

The flag burners are the Newt Gingrich of the Occupy movement Politicub Feb 2012 #55

you mean like the watts rebellion of 1965 and the detroit rebellion of 1967 did xchrom Feb 2012 #57

No, not the same. Politicub Feb 2012 #73

Total agreement leftynyc Feb 2012 #78

k&r slay Feb 2012 #60

+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #63

i'm concerned about an important movement being marginalized by either an idiot arely staircase Feb 2012 #66

What movement for the people isn't potentially xchrom Feb 2012 #71

i'm sure many teabaggers felt it very unfair that arely staircase Feb 2012 #72

thank you thank you thank you..you are so right..outrage over burning the flag xiamiam Feb 2012 #74

Test Chill Keney Feb 2012 #75

Yep...love your post! tex-wyo-dem Feb 2012 #76

If more people were condeming burning the flag leftynyc Feb 2012 #79

K&R SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #82

Spot on. n/t 99Forever Feb 2012 #95

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2012 #96