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jwirr

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59. I hope so. In almost every protest I have witnessed since the 60s there have been fringe groups

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 05:25 PM

Feb 2012

who have gone their own way and I am hoping that people will remember that. It bothers me that people lump the whole group into one whenever something goes even a little wrong but I also recognize that generalizing is pretty human.

I think they will overcome this - what really needs to be done is somehow the Oakland police have to be brought into control. I fear them much more than anyone who burns a flag. We need an event that will refocus the attention back onto the real problems in this nation - in that I am sure all of us can agree.

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you're 'concerned' about flag burning -- this is what you should be 'concerned' about [View all] xchrom Feb 2012 OP

the thing worse than flag burning is the the thing that causes flag burning phantom power Feb 2012 #1

you wouldn't know it from the 'concerned' around here. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #3

They are the Concernvatives. Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #19

yes Voice for Peace Feb 2012 #13

All that is meaningless because a piece of cloth was burned in Oakland Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #2

wait... let me go get mine and we can clutch them in tandem. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #4

*mutual* pearl-clutching? kinky! and in public, too, no less MisterP Feb 2012 #41

The people who already don't support OWS won't support them even MORE now MNBrewer Feb 2012 #6

k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #5

it's a weird threat. xchrom Feb 2012 #7

That way they can reassure themselves that they are essentially well-meaning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #8

well put! nt sudopod Feb 2012 #10

They were just waiting notundecided Feb 2012 #14

Yup. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #18

Indeed! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #84

And how exactly did burning a flag help the homeless? hack89 Feb 2012 #9

You're more worried about the symptoms than the disease. sudopod Feb 2012 #12

In this case stupidity seems to be the disease hack89 Feb 2012 #16

Do you really enjoy repeatedly missing the poster's point on purpose? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #17

Stupidity in support of a good cause is still stupidity hack89 Feb 2012 #20

OP is discussing the causes that led to the formation of OWS, not the tactics of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #22

So we can't discuss actions that undermine support for those causes? Ok nt hack89 Feb 2012 #24

There is a time and a place for every thing. This thread was not created to be that place. sudopod Feb 2012 #27

I look at things from a practical aspect - I am not into metaphysical navel gazing hack89 Feb 2012 #31

I am not into metaphysical navel gazing... sudopod Feb 2012 #33

You are upset because I sullied yet another OP telling the great unwashed hack89 Feb 2012 #34

In other words, you didn't read the OP, did you? sudopod Feb 2012 #35

I did - it is a common theme here hack89 Feb 2012 #36

:3 sudopod Feb 2012 #38

That's the kind of intellectual and moral superiority that is going to take OWS far hack89 Feb 2012 #40

The OP pointed out examples the injustices in our country that led to the formation of OWS. sudopod Feb 2012 #42

Show me where I said I was upset. All I said is that OWS was fucking stupid to burn a flag hack89 Feb 2012 #43

"All I said is that " sudopod Feb 2012 #44

Because you refuse to accept that perhaps OWS is capable of making a mistake. hack89 Feb 2012 #47

OWS didn't agree to burn that flag but it would be too difficult to explian that EFerrari Feb 2012 #45

Is that why we are seeing such widespread condemnation from OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #48

Maybe OWS is focusing on the real violence of last weekend EFerrari Feb 2012 #50

I am focusing on actions that damage OWS' image hack89 Feb 2012 #64

Too bad you don't show the same concern for the actual people who were hurt this weekend. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #65

It bothers me a lot - the Oakland PD are a bunch of thugs hack89 Feb 2012 #67

Do you believe you made a mistake when you beat your wife, hack89? sudopod Feb 2012 #51

But I love OWS hack89 Feb 2012 #62

Talk about puffed up self important acolytes bahrbearian Feb 2012 #69

Trust me - I am hack89 Feb 2012 #70

That's good. however, why even bring up the flag burning then? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #88

Metaphysics, morality and intellectualism have no place in civil disobedience. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #93

No - kicking potential supporters in the nuts has no place in civil disobedience. hack89 Feb 2012 #94

How did burning the flag help the Vietnam protests? L0oniX Feb 2012 #83

They didn't hack89 Feb 2012 #85

No one is saying that burning a flag is going to change anything ... L0oniX Feb 2012 #90

Well, considering the violent confrontation at the 68 Democratic convention, I would say yes. hack89 Feb 2012 #91

I agree there are far more important problems... redqueen Feb 2012 #11

The folks who are so concerned about the flag burning are TriMera Feb 2012 #15

What are people supposed to DO about those problems? hfojvt Feb 2012 #21

Driving 15 miles to the football stadium doesn't seem to help the Jets, does it? nt sudopod Feb 2012 #25

who does THAT anyway? hfojvt Feb 2012 #56

Occupy Oakland was doing a lot and they want their own space to continue serving the community... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #29

Evidently, they are going to bitch about a flag burning. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #32

It's not a zero sum thing, really. MineralMan Feb 2012 #23

that guy in the wheelchair obviously knows nothing about the symbolism of that flag, right? msongs Feb 2012 #26

indeed. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #28

K&R (nt) T S Justly Feb 2012 #30

I tend to think that in some quarters, once OWS didn't become the "Democrat's tea party" TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #37

+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #39

Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #46

Beautifully stated. nt Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #61

So folks like you trying to whittle the 99% down to a much smaller number hack89 Feb 2012 #68

I am not concerned about the damned flag. I am concerned about losing supporters because of jwirr Feb 2012 #49

Don't you think that most reasonable people can look at what happened EFerrari Feb 2012 #54

I hope so. In almost every protest I have witnessed since the 60s there have been fringe groups jwirr Feb 2012 #59

No because OWS has made a point Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #89

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #52

Not an either/or proposition leftynyc Feb 2012 #53

I do believe with some people it is an either/or problem. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #58

But what gets accomplished? leftynyc Feb 2012 #77

I have some qualms with the case in Oakland as it wasn't their own flag which they burned, however Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #80

I totally agree that the flag is merely leftynyc Feb 2012 #81

I don't know, maybe they were plants or perhaps their youthful frustation with the pace of the Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #86

I hope so leftynyc Feb 2012 #87

+1 redqueen Feb 2012 #92

The flag burners are the Newt Gingrich of the Occupy movement Politicub Feb 2012 #55

you mean like the watts rebellion of 1965 and the detroit rebellion of 1967 did xchrom Feb 2012 #57

No, not the same. Politicub Feb 2012 #73

Total agreement leftynyc Feb 2012 #78

k&r slay Feb 2012 #60

+1 xchrom Feb 2012 #63

i'm concerned about an important movement being marginalized by either an idiot arely staircase Feb 2012 #66

What movement for the people isn't potentially xchrom Feb 2012 #71

i'm sure many teabaggers felt it very unfair that arely staircase Feb 2012 #72

thank you thank you thank you..you are so right..outrage over burning the flag xiamiam Feb 2012 #74

Test Chill Keney Feb 2012 #75

Yep...love your post! tex-wyo-dem Feb 2012 #76

If more people were condeming burning the flag leftynyc Feb 2012 #79

K&R SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #82

Spot on. n/t 99Forever Feb 2012 #95

Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2012 #96