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UnrepentantLiberal

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14. I've been reading these comments for a few years now.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:52 AM
Mar 2013

This article someone posted is what made me post this OP:

When is the Syrian 'opposition' Syrian?

A novelist, filmmaker and journalist makes his way to the Turkish-Syria border with the help of his Turkish left friends and contacts, to investigate the refugee camps and military camps where he says Syrian and non-Syrian fighters are undergoing training. The locals he meets seem to confirm their suspicions.



At the outskirts of the city of Adana in southern Turkey is located an enormous US Air force base called Incirlik. It is actually only nicknamed ‘the US base’, in reality it is being utilized by the United States Air Force, the Turkish Air Force and by the British RAF. Of course for the United States it may be one of the key overseas military facilities; Incirlik is a home to about five thousand US airmen, ‘complimented’ by several hundred airmen from the British Royal Air Force. But the primary unit stationed at Incirlik is the 39th Air Base Wing (39 ABW) of the US Air Force. One look at the map and the significance becomes obvious: several ‘important’, ‘strategic’ countries appear to be in a relatively short flying distance from here: Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Iraq to name just a few. But recently the base is gaining new infamy: “There is plenty of evidence that they are now training so called Syrian ‘opposition’ on the premises of Incirlik”, I was told by renowned Turkish investigative journalist Huseyin Guler in the city of Hatay, near the Syrian border.

The base propels the economy of the entire area, both formal and informal. We park at the entrance of “Mujda’s Café & Restaurant”, near the main gate leading to the base. At Mujda’s, all prices are exhibited in US dollars, not in Turkish liras. Photographs depicting US military hardware, airplanes and the officers with all their decorations and medals on display are covering the walls. The exhibits are out of place alongside the kebabs, beer and yoghurt drinks. “Do people around here talk about the Syrian crises?” I ask. “They do, of course”, answers the waiter. “Do they talk about the training of the so called ‘Syrian opposition’”? I press further. “Some do”, he smiles evasively. There is a girl working nearby. We ask her about surveillance. “Of course my phone is tapped, “ she replies. “But that is nothing unusual. They are tapping everyone’s phones around here. Other things happen as well, but I can’t talk about them.” My colleague and friend Levent (he has to be identified only by his first name, for safety reasons) joins the discussion: “Wiretapping is just one of the most innocent things this government does. It is not only used for collecting intelligence, but also for character assassination of those who dare to stand in its way. For instance, the phones of the generals who declared their outrage and opposition over western involvement in Turkish affairs had been tapped, their conversation flow recorded and broken up to be fabricated into ludicrous but extremely damaging sentences, electronically.”

Incirlik however – is just the beginning of our journey. We drive 200 kilometers to the city of Hatay – a culturally and religiously diverse southernmost Turkish metropolis near the several border crossings to Syria. Most of the way the highway is suspiciously smooth and fast, perfect for the deployment of troops. It is clear that in Hatay almost everyone is afraid to talk, from the local barbers to shop owners, hotel receptionists or even the majority of common passers by. Suleyman, an owner of a huge coffee shop with several impressive water pipes is one exception, but even he prefers to keep his full name and the name of his business anonymous:

“People that the west describes as ‘Syrian opposition’ are considered here, in Hatay, as just a bunch of renegades and bandits. It is hard to believe they actually call them refugees! Refugees with guns, roaming our streets; get real! They are not good people. Almost all of them wear beards, carry guns and make our citizens frightened.”

More: http://www.opendemocracy.net/andre-vltchek/when-is-syrian-opposition-syrian

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I don't know the logic, but empirical evidence suggests that Islamic fundamentalist government... JVS Mar 2013 #1
Arundhati Roy is saying similar things... HiPointDem Mar 2013 #2
Why do you think it is? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #3
That's an interesting question and I don't have an answer. I've gotten this far: HiPointDem Mar 2013 #5
Because the Neocons in think tanks are the ones who were too stupid to teach at Chicago? Recursion Mar 2013 #23
Perhaps because The Straight Story Mar 2013 #4
When Saddam left the dollar for payment for oil he sealed his fate and that of Iraq Fumesucker Mar 2013 #8
Good point and thanks for reminding me of that (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #9
yes, that's part of it but I think it's more than a coincidence that so many NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #11
Arrogance and a limited understanding of the dynamics of the region. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #6
I doubt it. Because they keep doing the same thing, despite the example of repeated HiPointDem Mar 2013 #7
perpetual war, which is good for govt and bankers NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #10
It is human nature that people do not like living under repressive kings/dictators. pampango Mar 2013 #12
most of humanity lived under repressive dictators for most of history. and the repressive HiPointDem Mar 2013 #17
We supported Mubarak for decades and Egyptians showed they were quite ready to overthrow him. pampango Mar 2013 #26
Good points. We'll have to see the what the outcome is like. stevenleser Mar 2013 #21
"unpredictable democratic governments" Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #35
Follow the money - Saudi Arabia gains. Who do you think owns many multinational oil corps along leveymg Mar 2013 #13
So you're saying U.S. polititians are overthrowing secular governments in the Middle East UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #15
i think he's saying the us is hand-in-glove with the saudis to stabilize SA HiPointDem Mar 2013 #18
Essentially, yes, we are viewed by the Saudis as hired mercenaries. Useful, but only to a point. leveymg Mar 2013 #22
I've been reading these comments for a few years now. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #14
Part of it is their Cold War mindset of the neocons JHB Mar 2013 #16
That's an interesting theory. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #20
See the Wesley Clark interviews in this thread... JHB Mar 2013 #25
Whatever it gains by keeping America Fundamentalist Jesus. nt valerief Mar 2013 #19
To weaken them, basically. "Divide and rule". It's quite old. bemildred Mar 2013 #24
From what I read about Egypt, the Islamists provided a social safety net Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #27
Well said. Dictators (and their foreign supporters) in the region have created the Islamist pampango Mar 2013 #32
"It's all the Republicans' fault." AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #28
Because democracies are inherently unstable... Wounded Bear Mar 2013 #29
Continued instability and war, which feeds the MIC /nt demwing Mar 2013 #30
You're assuming. atreides1 Mar 2013 #31
I do not know what the gambit is all about Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #33
Economic hegemony Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #34
they are only interested in creating chaos in secular governments (including the US) librechik Mar 2013 #36
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