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87. It's not a compromise; it's simply a stupid idea that doesn't address anything important at all

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:52 PM

Mar 2013

A compromise would be Feinstein saying "I want to ban all repeating firearms" and the NRA saying "we don't want to ban anything" and hashing out a deal in which semi-automatics with fixed or internal magazines are allowed but not with detachable magazines.

This is literally a bunch of gun control activists saying "we want to ban guns that look military, while leaving equally capable guns that don't look military alone". It's absolutely stupid, and it bothers me that so many Democrats have been duped by this.

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hey, what are the murderous deaths of twenty children when commerce is on the line? [View all] spanone Mar 2013 OP

Reid is a realist... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #1

bullshit spanone Mar 2013 #2

Deep thoughts... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #4

tell that to the parents and keep your 'deep thoughts' bs to yourself spanone Mar 2013 #6

Emotional hyperbole aside... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #10

Is emotional hyperbole your new talking point? laundry_queen Mar 2013 #12

Its the latest Wayne Lapierre/Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh gun talking point AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #107

Hmm...getting emotional over something besides an AR-15 with a huge mag... jmg257 Mar 2013 #66

It's cute... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #70

It was the things you choose to get all emotional over that tipped me off. jmg257 Mar 2013 #71

I don't own one... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #77

Sorry, but as part of a society your rights just might have to be infringed a bit, jmg257 Mar 2013 #79

Ahhh Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #81

No need to go through the NRA list...I KNOW the AWB didn't/doesn't do enough. jmg257 Mar 2013 #86

You missed the point... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #88

I got the point, you feel mag limits and weapons bans jmg257 Mar 2013 #92

Reid is a coward. baldguy Mar 2013 #5

Mostly because people have no idea what it means Recursion Mar 2013 #7

That's the RW spin about the 1994 assault weapons ban, not what was proposed now. baldguy Mar 2013 #13

No, it's still how the bill is, except it's one feature rather than two Recursion Mar 2013 #14

It also prohibits the transfer of previously manufactured firearms and magazines. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #16

Even if it retroactively confiscated them, it doesn't keep a gunsmith from producing the Shrubmaster Recursion Mar 2013 #20

I didn't say the AWB made sense...! Peter cotton Mar 2013 #25

I guess you missed the part about AR-15s being specifically prohibited, huh? baldguy Mar 2013 #17

I have, have you? You're right: it will not be the AR-15, but the BS-16 Recursion Mar 2013 #19

Pistol grips lessen recoil for faster, more accurate follow up shots AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #29

Neither is true Recursion Mar 2013 #30

Ah, so the gun manufacturers are LYING!! AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #32

Of course they are lying. All manufacturers do Recursion Mar 2013 #34

lol AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #38

What lies are we hearing from the manufacturers of the Slinky? AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #44

That's a fair point; the proposed AWB is far more draconian than the 1994 version. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #15

Right. All those children that will be killed because of Reid's cowardice are real lucky. baldguy Mar 2013 #18

How about the much more numerous children killed by handguns... Recursion Mar 2013 #21

The obvious answer is to prohibit all gun sales. baldguy Mar 2013 #23

But an AWB would make gun sales of semi-automatic rifles go *up*, not down Recursion Mar 2013 #27

Yes, banning things always increases availability, how did we not catch that!! AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #36

Do you honestly not understand that this doesn't ban semi-automatic rifles? Recursion Mar 2013 #39

Do you honestly not understand that 5 minus 2 does not equal 7? AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #42

The stupidity of the new AWB in two pictures. hack89 Mar 2013 #51

From the pistol grip manufacturer: AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #54

So just how much safer is that bottom rifle? hack89 Mar 2013 #57

Recoil management = faster more accurate follow up shots = more dead children in less time AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #58

So Sandy Hook could have only been done by an AR-15? hack89 Mar 2013 #60

Sandy hook WAS done with an AR-15 AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #61

So if there were no AR-15s then Sandy Hook would never had happened? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #63

If there was no AR-15 not as many children would be dead AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #64

They are not. hack89 Mar 2013 #65

So, if they don't stop or lessen the damage from every single mass shooting... AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #67

If you don't concentrate on the deadliest weapons used in the majority of mass shootings hack89 Mar 2013 #68

Gun massacres sell guns AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #73

Calls to ban guns seems to be working fine as well. hack89 Mar 2013 #74

There is no call for banning guns AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #76

At DU there are plenty. An extremist minority I take it? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #78

Actually the gun nuts are the only extremist minority I have seen here. AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #91

The number of guns isn't being reduced through attrition. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #28

What part of "prohibit all gun sales" don't you understand. baldguy Mar 2013 #40

Are you seriously asserting that such a proposal has the slightest chance of being enacted? Peter cotton Mar 2013 #49

Where's you proposal? baldguy Mar 2013 #59

You didn't answer my question, but I'll be happy to answer yours. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #62

So, nothing to actually reduce the ongoing gun massacre baldguy Mar 2013 #72

More guns = more guns in the hands of criminals AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #75

Shrug. You asked. I answered. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #93

As a NYer.. No MattBaggins Mar 2013 #109

To say it's "how they can look" is dishonest. DanTex Mar 2013 #35

Oh, so you're fine with an AR-15 that has a different grip shape? Recursion Mar 2013 #37

All I said was: a pistol grip, forward grip, and folding stock can't honestly be called "cosmetic" DanTex Mar 2013 #80

Yes, I do Recursion Mar 2013 #83

Well, now we are getting somewhere. But here's the thing. DanTex Mar 2013 #90

I said "if anything" it makes it "marginally" safer Recursion Mar 2013 #95

You don't think it makes it easier to handle? DanTex Mar 2013 #102

My audiophile friends swear to me vinyl sounds better too Recursion Mar 2013 #104

If he does not have the votes he does not have the votes krawhitham Mar 2013 #111

And by refusing to put it up for a vote, there's no way for us to know which Dems won't support it. baldguy Mar 2013 #114

RE: Reid ChangeUp106 Mar 2013 #8

Must losing be a sign of weakness? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #11

Given the choice he would always prefer to win... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #24

Why must losing always be negative? HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #31

Yeah Right. Harry Reid: Pillar Of Strength. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #3

We need a new majority leader in the senate. boston bean Mar 2013 #9

This can just underscore Newest Reality Mar 2013 #22

They are the price we pay for the freedom of the gun manufacturers to make money malaise Mar 2013 #26

Message auto-removed ICallBS Mar 2013 #33

Why would you even say that? The 20 children have just brought the killings to national view. djean111 Mar 2013 #41

Message auto-removed ICallBS Mar 2013 #43

Someone here posts all the child shooting deaths (that can be found and linked to) Every Single Week djean111 Mar 2013 #47

WTF is that about? malaise Mar 2013 #45

Message auto-removed ICallBS Mar 2013 #48

People here talk about a lot of gun deaths. djean111 Mar 2013 #52

Well the death of 20 under eight children and their teachers days before Christmas malaise Mar 2013 #55

Much of the AWB is a deeply flawed approach to reducing gun violence. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #46

Would it have stopped him, no... AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #50

There is no evidence that AWB grips versus standard grips significantly reduce firing rates aikoaiko Mar 2013 #53

Yes, the manufacturers are lying!! AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #56

As someone who regularly gets a chance to use both... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #84

The US military doesn't use forward grips, which is what that press release is about (nt) Recursion Mar 2013 #85

Yes, we all understand it doesn't nearly go far enough. We also understand jmg257 Mar 2013 #69

It's not a compromise; it's simply a stupid idea that doesn't address anything important at all Recursion Mar 2013 #87

Of course, that's what most assault weapons are... jmg257 Mar 2013 #89

The problem has never been what guns are available, but to whom they are available Recursion Mar 2013 #97

Agreed. Currently if they are available to you and I, they are available to just about everyone. jmg257 Mar 2013 #98

Which is why I support universal background checks on all transfers, and stopping GOP stonewalling.. Recursion Mar 2013 #99

I think we talked about this before, but honestly I forget - would you support jmg257 Mar 2013 #100

I would. Militias generally have musters, you know? Recursion Mar 2013 #101

It only addresses the ability of the mass shooter to kill more victims faster AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #94

Good question! Why are you so emotional over the grip shape of guns? Recursion Mar 2013 #96

I'm not AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #103

I'm not bent out of shape over the infringement. I don't think the AWB is a "rights infringement" Recursion Mar 2013 #105

Hmmmm, now where have I heard that before? AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #106

I wouldn't know. I've never watched them. Recursion Mar 2013 #108

Watch it AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #110

Clearly Recursion Mar 2013 #113

You should AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #115

Well, we should stop making Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin right, then Recursion Mar 2013 #116

The proposed bill would not reduce the number of guns bought at all. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #117

Right. But one thing about laws...they can always be modified to avoid grip change bypasses jmg257 Mar 2013 #118

If I were to say here... 99Forever Mar 2013 #82

to gun lover's inconvenience in their love affair with guns means more than the samsingh Mar 2013 #112