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Showing Original Post only (View all)The N.R.A. Wins Again - TheNewYorker [View all]
THE N.R.A. WINS AGAINPosted by Alex Koppelman - TheNewYorker
March 20, 2013

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After Sandy Hook, after twenty children were shot and killed at a place where they should have been safe from all harm, there was some optimism among supporters of gun control: perhaps now, finally, both Democrats and Republicans could see the lightand the sufferingand revive the assault-weapons ban. It was a futile hope.
Less than a week after Adam Lanza shot up an elementary school, it was already basically clear that an assault-weapons ban could not pass Congressthat it probably couldnt even get through the Democratic-controlled Senate, never mind the House. So it was hardly a surprise when, three months later, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that the ban would be removed from a larger gun-control package that is making its way through the upper chamber and given a separate vote that it will not survive. The scale of the defeat suffered by the bans supporters, though, is shocking. This wasnt a close call; it was a body blow.
On Tuesday, Reid told reporters that, using the most optimistic numbers, the ban sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat of California, will come to the floor with less than forty yes votes. If thats true, it means that of the senators who were on the fence and might theoretically have been persuaded to support the legislationthere may have been as many as fifteen of them, and perhaps moreFeinstein and her allies lost almost every single one.
Those gun-control supporters who tend toward the glass-half-full side of things can reasonably view this as Feinstein et. al realizing that the real goal of the post-Newtown anti-gun push was a law making background checks universalthat the ban was just a sacrifice offered up to ease that laws path through Congressand letting any Democrats nervous about the backlash against a pro-ban vote off the hook.
Theres another way to interpret Reids vote count, though. Even after Tucson, and Aurora, and Sandy Hook, the N.R.A. won. Even with polls showing a majority of the country in favor of a ban and the President publicly behind it, more than a quarter of the Senates Democratic caucus would have voted against it, and there may not be any Senate Republicans who would have voted for it. Three months ago, there were pro-gun senatorsincluding Reidwho were making noises about coming around on assault weapons. To a man, it appears, they have reconsidered.
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Good point. The Democrats who caved to the NRA over the wishes of their constituents
DanTex
Mar 2013
#12
Poll trutherism is alive and well on DU! And there I thought it was only Dick Morris and Karl Rove.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#15
Alaska, Montana, Arkansas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina.
hack89
Mar 2013
#19
Whether it's guns, abortion, gay marriage, or anything else, I think Dems should vote like Dems.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#22
In other words, no evidence. No surprise there. Maybe the next pro-gunner will come up with some.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#33
Well, I'm glad we agree that guns are no different from abortion, gay marriage, social security, etc
DanTex
Mar 2013
#41
We should try to win on every issue that is important to us while not doing harm
hack89
Mar 2013
#47
Texas is just en example. The point is that gun control is not just popular in Chicago and NYC.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#83
So you think it's fine if Democrats vote anti-gay? Or anti-choice? Or anti-Social-Security?
DanTex
Mar 2013
#31
OK. Well at least we're agreed that guns are no different from abortion or Social Security.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#39
I keep hearing about all of these people who are going to switch over to R because of
DanTex
Mar 2013
#96
What progressive Dems are strongly pro-gun? The pro-gun Dems are red state centrists.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#48
Russ Feingold was staunchly anti-AWB, but was willing to consider other gun-control measures (n/t)
derby378
Mar 2013
#105
True. But, as I posted above, even Texas voters support AWB by a margin of 49-41.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#112
And you'll notice that the rural areas (the area we were talking about) is green, eh?
pipoman
Mar 2013
#93
You realize the last few mass shooters could have passed all those requirements? Or took...
Logical
Mar 2013
#98
It would help society if gun cultists cleaned up their collective act, but not likely.
Hoyt
Mar 2013
#36
The decision to drop the AWB provision may have saved the more important parts of the bill
slackmaster
Mar 2013
#25
Poll results are meaningless if the respondents don't understand the question
slackmaster
Mar 2013
#53
People are reluctant to answer "I don't know"; this is a well-established fact in polling methodoloy
slackmaster
Mar 2013
#60
By "fringe", you must mean the 60% of Americans that support the AWB. Is that right?
DanTex
Mar 2013
#62
"The Myth Of NRA Dominance..." was posted by a host of the Gun Control Reform Activism group:
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#107
Yep. Congress can't even pass a gun control measure that easily passed 20 years ago.
LAGC
Mar 2013
#100
Not quite. The vote on the omnibus crime bill in 1994 was 68-31 in the Senate with one abstaining.
slackmaster
Mar 2013
#104