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ProgressiveJarhead

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43. Palestinians

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:00 PM

Mar 2013

They are from all over the ME and became known formally as Palestinians after 1967. Jews living in the area before statehood and who never left we're also Palestinians. Israel (as you refer to blindly) is made up of people and they have a government. You lump them into one category as if the people are not individuals. That would be like saying the US wanted war because Bushco did. That is in keeping with the double standard that is applied to Israel. They have reason to fear because the crap that North Korea said about the US last week is a daily thing there.

The US needs to be involved if there is to be a two state solution so the Palestinians can finally have their own nation after rejecting it in 1948. They need to speak for themselves and the US should help them once they get their own no shit state. They should not rely on the Arab nations for help because they could care less and they only make matters worse. A Palestinian state would eventually mean peace because the trump card would be gone. That is a worthy cause and the US should support it for humanitarian reasons.

The Palestinians have a right to self determination no matter what government they choose. The Christian fundamentalists need to STFU and stay out of it. Palestinians are human beings and not religious pawns for born again bone heads. Their suffering is real and their needs are real and pressing. As with people in the US, they have people who say stupid shit.

I knew a few Palestinians in college and they were not vicious anti-Semites at all. Leaders sound war drums and make money and political points off of conflict here in the US. The same is true there.

You need to stop referring to Israel as if everyone there is in agreement about what the government does. Does the US want war? All of the US? No. They don't. Who is the US? The people or the government? When the US invaded Iraq for bullshit reasons that means you did by your thinking. Shit is much more complex than you think it is.

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No more. I've had enough. Just enough [View all] Skidmore Mar 2013 OP

Same here and I am skeptical of any of the rhetoric about the mid-east. liberal N proud Mar 2013 #1

Even then... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #5

I always thought the real reason for the invasion was OIL! liberal N proud Mar 2013 #7

Just before we invaded Saddam was talking about going off the petro-dollar. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #8

Yep liberal N proud Mar 2013 #9

and look now the Euro is almost dead ThomThom Mar 2013 #57

It wasn't long ago when everyone was talking about the rise of the Euro over the Dollar. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #66

The real real reason was corporate welfare for defence contractors and their fat cats. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #18

I had enough a very long time ago..... llmart Mar 2013 #2

It is still around. It still isn't in the news, but there's a forum here. Blanks Mar 2013 #15

But that's part of my point... llmart Mar 2013 #37

We have an elaborate communication system. Blanks Mar 2013 #40

I understand your frustration but you can only do so much online. NoMoreWarNow Mar 2013 #63

I don't do anything online..... llmart Mar 2013 #69

Amen, brother. Spartacus Maximus XL Mar 2013 #28

Yep. llmart Mar 2013 #38

We DID Go Out into the Streets. It Didn't Help AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #79

I know. llmart Mar 2013 #80

People Aren't Doing Anything About it Because We Haven't Figured Out Anything We CAN Do About It AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #83

The things which need to be done require legal authority Skidmore Mar 2013 #86

The 2004 Election Was Stolen Too AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #82

I agree, it turned with Reagan. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #52

you are so right when you said ThomThom Mar 2013 #60

Agreed! llmart Mar 2013 #70

k&r HappyMe Mar 2013 #3

You said it well & I agree 99%. pacalo Mar 2013 #4

Completely agree GeoWilliam750 Mar 2013 #6

You've been reading my mind...and I like it !! BlueJazz Mar 2013 #10

How bad does it have to get before the people rise up? santamargarita Mar 2013 #11

It will never happen in this country Janecita Mar 2013 #50

I agree. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #53

You make a good point. The media dumbing down santamargarita Mar 2013 #59

+1 llmart Mar 2013 #75

The People are Too Divided and Isolated from One Another to Do That AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #81

I'm tired of our country having to play Superman. Everyone seems asjr Mar 2013 #12

We live in an era of corruption just1voice Mar 2013 #13

Yep.... zeemike Mar 2013 #19

so stop giving them money, call them out ThomThom Mar 2013 #61

Israel doesn't need our help. They have a very tough military and plenty of weapons. frankieallen Mar 2013 #14

Thank you pscot Mar 2013 #16

RIght ON ! olddots Mar 2013 #17

I agree on every count, skidmore. madfloridian Mar 2013 #20

Keep at it girl.... haikugal Mar 2013 #30

It really is discouraging. madfloridian Mar 2013 #45

Don't get too discouraged dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #72

When I look back a few years... madfloridian Mar 2013 #76

Honey, if they blocked you... ReRe Mar 2013 #47

You always have a thumbs up from me. blackspade Mar 2013 #62

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #21

K&R I sympathize and mostly agree. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #22

coolest thing i have read today arely staircase Mar 2013 #23

To our moneyed Elites... nikto Mar 2013 #24

I don't recall wrtting this post but I must have. Spartacus Maximus XL Mar 2013 #25

K&R Go bro! trof Mar 2013 #26

We're all fed up Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #27

I guess we'd better start protesting now, because LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #29

Cuz the millions and millions protesting before really stopped the war. valerief Mar 2013 #33

I agree. LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #35

I get sooooo angry. I want to throttle every person who takes a mercenary job or who enlists valerief Mar 2013 #36

I think that military healthcare and benefits should be paid for by LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #39

I do too, and mercenaries should be Skidmore Mar 2013 #49

Outstanding post. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #78

I hate to say it but jimlup Mar 2013 #31

There's definitely going to be another war. That's what the "no debt crisis" shit valerief Mar 2013 #32

Well THAT was awesome. Well said. n/t Butterbean Mar 2013 #34

Excellent. MinneapolisMatt Mar 2013 #41

You are not alone. RagAss Mar 2013 #42

Palestinians ProgressiveJarhead Mar 2013 #43

JI essentially agree with you on most points. Skidmore Mar 2013 #48

Change You Can Believe In. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #44

seems like a lot sad faces out there but keep one thing in mind.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #46

I'm with you. bowens43 Mar 2013 #51

I feel exactly as you do, and I think a lot of other people do also. n/t reflection Mar 2013 #54

what can we do? xiamiam Mar 2013 #55

"Israel" does not want it. The U.S., the oil companies and their lackeys in Israel want it. McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #56

It's time for Israelis to stand up and quit electing people whose sole agenda is to keep a state of Skidmore Mar 2013 #64

I feel the same way. blackspade Mar 2013 #58

Believe me, I feel your pain Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #65

OK, BUT........ jerfro Mar 2013 #67

If our leaders do not want war they could always stop military aid to Israel uselessobot Mar 2013 #68

Wonder if you were just as willing for the Bush girls or the Cheney girls Skidmore Mar 2013 #71

Yup the spawn of the Bushes and Cheneys should have been the first boots on the ground in Iraq. uselessobot Mar 2013 #73

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2013 #74

Its the corporations that are using our military as their international police force... We need to midnight Mar 2013 #77

NO. NO. NO. Jasana Mar 2013 #84

Bravo, Skidmore. Agreed. Thanks. Zorra Mar 2013 #85

That is Why They Want to Make the U.S. Do It For Them AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #87

I don't think it really matters what PM Netanyahu believes about America, in the long run. Zorra Mar 2013 #88