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badtoworse

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48. "Who gives a damn about the pro-gun crowd?"

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 07:59 AM

Mar 2013

How about someone who's interested in actually accomplishing something. DiFi has accomplished nothing, which is not unusual for her on the issue of firearms. Why? Because her approach is to just take and offer nothing in return. If she were willing to deal on the issue, we might wind up with legislation that everyone could support. Personally, I don't believe she really wants to solve anything; she's more interested in having an issue that keeps her in the political spotlight.

You are just as bad. The reality is that the pro-gun crowd has the political strength to stop any legislation from being enacted. The "who gives a damn" attitude might feel good in the short term, but in the long run you will walk away with nothing. How will that feel?

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Assault Weapons Ban Dropped From Senate Bill - MSNBC [View all] WillyT Mar 2013 OP

and yet the democrats run Congress samsingh Mar 2013 #1

The Democrats do not run the Congress, premium Mar 2013 #2

sorry i meant the senate samsingh Mar 2013 #10

No problem. premium Mar 2013 #11

The problem is that each state gets two Senators. ... spin Mar 2013 #81

Just like the Public Option was dropped in the Senate HCR Bill. See a pattern & practice here? leveymg Mar 2013 #3

Good. It was a pointless bill. Ban semi-autos, or don't, but who cares what shape their grip is? Recursion Mar 2013 #4

+100 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #77

Since Heller and McDonald pipoman Mar 2013 #5

That to me was a no brainer (to ban assault weapons). As many have said, gateley Mar 2013 #6

The problem with that is it didn't "ban" them, it regulated what they can look like Recursion Mar 2013 #8

Harry Reid shows some common sense Lurks Often Mar 2013 #7

5 - Would not prevent a Sandy Hook style shooting... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #29

The proposed AWB legislation included too much BS. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #9

Fuck the NRA. That is all. Initech Mar 2013 #12

Ditto. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #76

Assholes. talkingmime Mar 2013 #13

Thank you for posting a real issue for Democrats to discuss. XRubicon Mar 2013 #14

There really are pro-gun Democrats - lots of them. badtoworse Mar 2013 #15

I think the senate has senators who want reelection XRubicon Mar 2013 #16

I don't think you get it. I was talking about their constituents badtoworse Mar 2013 #17

Ever heard of the NRA? XRubicon Mar 2013 #19

It's not a mystery - many millions of voters agree with them. badtoworse Mar 2013 #20

I forgot, politicians only do what the people want XRubicon Mar 2013 #21

They might turn a few votes that way badtoworse Mar 2013 #22

Four states and the NRA membership that equals 1.4% of the population XRubicon Mar 2013 #23

Feinstein's list had 160 firearms on it, including some of the most popular firearms in use today badtoworse Mar 2013 #24

I found the list of firearms that the bill "exempted" much more troubling than the list of... slackmaster Mar 2013 #26

You cant curb your hobby to make our country a better place XRubicon Mar 2013 #27

The types of firearms that the general public can buy are already restricted per the National... slackmaster Mar 2013 #25

This Democrat disagrees XRubicon Mar 2013 #28

You don't want to be bothered with facts or any kind of details about what would and would not... slackmaster Mar 2013 #30

Alaska, Montana, Arkansas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina. hack89 Mar 2013 #40

and MOST americans disagree with them spanone Mar 2013 #92

most pro-gun democrats do want some form of gun control liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #34

Senators like Reid or Baucus do not represent "the majority of Americans" dairydog91 Mar 2013 #35

and Nevada and Montana do not represent the majority of the country liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #37

Alaska, Montana, Arkansas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina. hack89 Mar 2013 #42

so you don't Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #79

Same with Nevada. premium Mar 2013 #38

31.5% of households in Nevada own a gun unfortunately. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #88

You mean 31.5% households that admit owning a gun. premium Mar 2013 #91

I dont have the data on how they did the study but I think they accounted for non-response stevenleser Mar 2013 #93

That's possible, premium Mar 2013 #94

disappointed, but not surprised. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #18

Once again, Reid fails to deliver. SO disappointing! Ticks me off. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #31

So guns with the shoulder thing that goes up won't be banned? jal777 Mar 2013 #32

They are ALL bought and sold. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #33

Surprise surprise. Fearless Mar 2013 #36

Was there anything in DiFi's bill that would attract support from the pro-gun crowd? badtoworse Mar 2013 #39

I agree. Nothing at all. Nt jal777 Mar 2013 #41

Who gives a damn about the pro-gun crowd? Fearless Mar 2013 #44

An AR-15 is not a military weapon. nt Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #45

What is it's designed purpose? Fearless Mar 2013 #46

Use by civilians. beevul Mar 2013 #47

That is not a purpose. Fearless Mar 2013 #49

Making money for ArmaLite (or its licensees) Recursion Mar 2013 #57

What would you use it for? Fearless Mar 2013 #61

The only reason I would own a rifle was if I got back into competition shooting Recursion Mar 2013 #62

You asked. beevul Mar 2013 #58

"designed to be used by civilians for lawful uses - of which there are several" Fearless Mar 2013 #60

This *is* a weapon of a non-military nature Recursion Mar 2013 #63

Reread what I wrote. Fearless Mar 2013 #65

I didn't miss anything Recursion Mar 2013 #66

Are other weapons able to do that Fearless Mar 2013 #69

Ah, I think (bluntly) I see your misunderstanding Recursion Mar 2013 #70

I was referring to accuracy to be fair. Fearless Mar 2013 #71

It's neither faster nor more accurate. Recursion Mar 2013 #73

If a gun is a gun and it is by your own words no more accurate Fearless Mar 2013 #75

To answer your question: The Straight Story Mar 2013 #80

Rifles (of all varieties) only account for less than 2% of all gun crime. LAGC Mar 2013 #83

Yes Recursion Mar 2013 #84

My point though is universal. What about handguns then? Fearless Mar 2013 #87

Conversely... beevul Mar 2013 #86

"Who gives a damn about the pro-gun crowd?" badtoworse Mar 2013 #48

If the pro-gun crowd wants to Fearless Mar 2013 #50

So why coudn't DiFi even get 40 votes for an AWB? badtoworse Mar 2013 #52

Because Congress is ineffective Fearless Mar 2013 #53

Do you honestly believe voters in Alaska, Montana and West Virginia want more gun control? badtoworse Mar 2013 #54

There is not a liberal America and a conservative America�there is the United States of America. Fearless Mar 2013 #55

You are very naive badtoworse Mar 2013 #56

No. I have facts. Fearless Mar 2013 #59

Military weapons have been banned for 80 years Recursion Mar 2013 #67

So militiary weapons have not advanced in 80 years? Fearless Mar 2013 #68

The weapons available to civilians today were available to them 80 years ago Recursion Mar 2013 #72

Then you would support Fearless Mar 2013 #74

I don't think the problem is the kinds of guns available Recursion Mar 2013 #85

The "will-of-the-majority" is what got Proposition 8 passed in California. Clames Mar 2013 #89

It isn't a simple majority of people who support Fearless Mar 2013 #90

Maybe you haven't been paying attention lately. Clames Mar 2013 #95

+10.000 smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #78

I think its time for the anti-gunners to turn this around and reframe it as brilliant strategy aikoaiko Mar 2013 #43

party of life! ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #51

And, they wonder why approval of congress is at an all time low. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #64

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