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49. Another absurd strawman argument. The day a mass murderer is able to take out a classroom full

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:40 AM

Mar 2013

of kids with his pack of cigarettes, you get back to us okay?

"This week we saw how many people are killed annually by sugar."

And the absurdities just keep on coming. If you can't discern the difference between a firearm spraying lethal loads of lead into human bodies - doing what it was designed to do, in other words - and folks consuming too much sugar to the detriment of their own health, then I can't help you. No one is "killed" by sugar, annually or otherwise: tens of thousands of people are killed by guns.

Of course, the offensive thing is you can the discern the difference - one would have to be either utterly unhinged or severely intellectually disabled in order not to be able to discern the difference - but simply don't care: this is "RKBA enthusiast" nonsense at it's worse, using any absurd argument and/or strawman at hand in order to deflect attention away from the real problem in this country, that being the proliferation and ease of access to firearms.

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Over 1,057,000 people have been killed by guns in the USA since John Lennon was shot and killed... [View all] onehandle Mar 2013 OP

If the 60 percent of gun deaths are suicides number holds up Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #1

Don't forget accidents and instances of self-defense. {nt} Yukari Yakumo Mar 2013 #54

One of the greatest men of peace, died a violent death graham4anything Mar 2013 #2

"greedy & selfish?" How many tens of millions are there? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #5

320 million Americans. The NRA is less than 4 million. 1%. graham4anything Mar 2013 #10

You forgot the 80,000,000 other Americans, including millions of Democrats. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #26

I loved Charlotte Rubens. She died at 102. Her son will win the Noble Peace Prize in'18. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43

If a manufacturer tried to bring to market today a product that when USED AS INTENDED was projected apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #3

More bans and prohibitions? Same as it ever was. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #4

Whatever that's supposed to mean. Bottom line is, as the country continues to turn Blue, meaningful apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #7

The country's blueing would be facilitated by dropping gun bans. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #23

Nope. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #27

Public opinion says otherwise. In January I was tailgating before the Packer/Vikings playoff ... Scuba Mar 2013 #44

+1. Skip Intro Mar 2013 #19

+ 1 nt Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #9

I imagine one could say Bay Boy Mar 2013 #11

And I imagine one could say... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #13

The gun fetishists goto straw man. onehandle Mar 2013 #34

Oh what bullshit! Bay Boy Mar 2013 #59

Way to miss the point.... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #71

No kidding. Compare that to the number killed by lawn darts. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #38

Cigarettes have killed 13 million people since 1980 hack89 Mar 2013 #47

Another absurd strawman argument. The day a mass murderer is able to take out a classroom full apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #49

Just pointing out that it is hard to shock the American public hack89 Mar 2013 #50

No, you were attempting to indulge in a pair of false analogies, that between guns which when USED apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #51

I understand your frustration. It has been a tough week for gun control after all. hack89 Mar 2013 #53

Not a bit of it: Colorado adopted three pieces of gun legislation just yesterday; NY's SAFE Act is apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #55

Colorado passed them after they dropped the AWB - just like Congress. hack89 Mar 2013 #56

Yeah, and we get to sue the cigarette companies. But the gun mfrs made sure they're immune. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #75

I support all the Colorado gun control laws hack89 Mar 2013 #93

You're not fooling anyone. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #110

How can I be lying when the reality is staring you in the face? hack89 Mar 2013 #111

Bullshit. The gun lobby is REALLY fighting the AWB, because it will cost them $$$$$$$$. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #112

A small majority want an AWB - about 56% hack89 Mar 2013 #113

The biggest body counts belong to ARs: Aurora, Newtown... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #116

Va Tech? hack89 Mar 2013 #117

Cho took 3 hours to kill 32; Lanza killed 26 in 5 minutes. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #120

You have one example. hack89 Mar 2013 #121

I already gave you 2 examples, and, I am not here to do your bidding. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #123

Didn't think you had anything. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #125

More people think the NRA reflects their views on guns than President Obama hack89 Mar 2013 #114

That is because the NRA and RW media lie that Obama wants to ban all guns. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #115

I hate to say this, but thucythucy Mar 2013 #132

800 mayors against guns. Yoko & Mike Bloomberg graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

You might want to check the felony rate of MAIG... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #12

They are standing pretty much where her husband was shot five times in the back. onehandle Mar 2013 #40

Why is John Lennon a relevant marker point? brooklynite Mar 2013 #8

I dunno. Maybe this Yoko Ono person knew him. onehandle Mar 2013 #15

I think it's because the magic round number of one million has been surpassed recently slackmaster Mar 2013 #25

I beg to differ with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #124

It's an icon for the targeted group in this culture war. X_Digger Mar 2013 #29

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #61

Sgt Pepper's..., to say NOTHING of his vocal belief in non-violent protest and it's being subject Mar 2013 #129

I suspect he was "a cultural icon" thucythucy Mar 2013 #130

are you kidding? JanMichael Mar 2013 #52

There is no way to disarm America at this point. Too many guns in circulation! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #14

90% used to smoke. Now 90% don't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #17

This place was 100% sure things would change after Giffords and then Sandy Hook.... Logical Mar 2013 #24

In other words guardian Mar 2013 #31

No, there are 80M US gun owners and 40K gun deaths/yr. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #127

as the old song said "Things get a little easier, once you understand" graham4anything Mar 2013 #42

Lennon wasn't murdered, he was assassinated! RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #16

He was murdered; there was no political intent involved in the killing. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #21

says you! RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #48

i saw a Marblehead Mar 2013 #33

Of course it was a hit. RevStPatrick Mar 2013 #62

The NRA & its gun-nut allies say: "NOT ENOUGH!" baldguy Mar 2013 #18

That's all? slackmaster Mar 2013 #20

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #22

And 50 million owned guns for 419,750,000,000 days collectively during that time The Straight Story Mar 2013 #28

Fancy math. onehandle Mar 2013 #30

Feel free to re-do it to show the % of guns vs guns used The Straight Story Mar 2013 #32

Put up with you and your weird ass, off topic posts polluting GD long enough. onehandle Mar 2013 #35

But now you'll never be on a jury for him. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #64

I wasn't even aware of that. This should probably be an OP somewhere. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2013 #69

They got rid of META, so I'm not sure where to post it... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #70

Only certain rights... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #45

Hey, we only have 4x the gun murder rate of the #3 country Progressive dog Mar 2013 #36

The Second Amendment is more important ramapo Mar 2013 #37

Probably the most important tweet I've ever seen... ReRe Mar 2013 #39

I love threads like this they reveal a lot about people that post on them... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #41

What I have learned is that we have a lot of right wing gun trolls masquerading as "progressives." SunSeeker Mar 2013 #78

Is that the post re AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #81

Progressives don't raise George Soros as a bogeyman. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #85

Bingo! You got to write "NRA" five times. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #91

Um, try again, it was six. LOL SunSeeker Mar 2013 #146

OK. "NRA/gun" one time. "NRA/gun" and "NRA" for a total of six times. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #147

You missed my point hack89 Mar 2013 #139

I didn't miss your point. Nor your blatant use of RW propaganda. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #140

Progressive gun control counterpart to the NRA hack89 Mar 2013 #141

Well, now that you add the word "control" that no longer makes it a counterpart, but an opponent. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #142

So it is impossible to be a pro-gun Democrat? hack89 Mar 2013 #149

No, just like it is not impossible to be an anti-abortion Democrat. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #150

I am reassured with people like you on the pro-gun control team. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #151

Another example Crepuscular Mar 2013 #46

It's a shame he's not with us anymore, I bet he would still be a great advocate of human rights. OverBurn Mar 2013 #57

But they're irrelevant... Iggo Mar 2013 #58

Let's put a positive spin on this... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #60

Arguments against gun control ErikJ Mar 2013 #63

Who made up that number? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #65

Nobody made up the number, it is trackable pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #66

So instead of actually being trackable, it's based upon guesstimates. Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #67

What number do you contend it is? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #68

If I care? I care about a fact-based world. It is not in our best interest to rely upon made-up AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #73

I knew you wouldn't answer my question. If you cared about the fact-based world, SunSeeker Mar 2013 #74

At what makes you think that I own a gun? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #77

Your answers and defensiveness. Do you? nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #79

A tragedy occurred while I was sailing on Lake Michigan. A gust came up, rocked the boat, and all AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #80

It is too bad that "tragedy" didn't really happen; it could have saved you from a real tragedy. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #82

That Sort Of Chicken-Shit "Cuteness" Got Old, Years Ago. Paladin Mar 2013 #96

You do what you want. I do what I want. You don't get to tell anyone to "admit it or stay silent." AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #98

Try the FBI Crime Statistics/UCR or the Department of Justice, or CDC pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #83

So that adds up to over "1,057,000 people"? People who exaggerate lose credibility. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #84

No, try reading the post. Those numbers are just for 1999 to 2011, and they add up to 396,646. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #86

Do you really think that even if we could somehow make all guns go away LAGC Mar 2013 #72

Bullshit. Having a gun in the home increases your chance of suicide 5 times. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #76

So we need to disarm nearly 100 million law-abiding American gun owners because a statistical few... LAGC Mar 2013 #87

We don't need to take everyone's gun, we just need reasonable gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #88

What specifically leads you to believe that the number was made up LanternWaste Mar 2013 #118

In a country with 300,000,000 guns and 80,000,000 gun owners fredzachmane Mar 2013 #89

It's a lot to me. tblue Mar 2013 #90

There may be more to that toddler story. LAGC Mar 2013 #92

What, he's not dead from a gunshot wound? Robb Mar 2013 #94

Follow the link. LAGC Mar 2013 #95

You've made your feelings on child shootings quite clear. Robb Mar 2013 #97

It's tragic whenever a child dies. LAGC Mar 2013 #99

LAGC on the Sunday Child Shooting Review: "Keep this crap out of GD." Robb Mar 2013 #100

As I explained to you via PM: LAGC Mar 2013 #101

Your post is revolting. Robb Mar 2013 #102

Alert on it. LAGC Mar 2013 #103

No, please keep it up. Robb Mar 2013 #104

I voted a straight Democratic ticket in 2012. LAGC Mar 2013 #131

So this isn't yours: Robb Mar 2013 #133

You caught me there. LAGC Mar 2013 #135

Cool story. Robb Mar 2013 #136

It's the truth. LAGC Mar 2013 #137

I especially like where you say "I'm not going to lie to you." Robb Mar 2013 #138

Robb, that was a hilarious subthread. Thanks. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #145

You tell people to put you on ignore so they can't sit on your jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #109

Yeah. It was only 20 Kindergartners. onehandle Mar 2013 #106

It's not politically correct to point that out. kentuck Mar 2013 #105

Small price to pay... Gary 50 Mar 2013 #107

How horrible Highway61 Mar 2013 #108

So 1,057,000 killed with guns since 1980....... Crepuscular Mar 2013 #119

Question for you: chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #122

two Beatles, two attempted Murders, one gun, one knife, one Bennyboy Mar 2013 #126

8 times Crepuscular Mar 2013 #128

People. Killed by people using a gun. Zax2me Mar 2013 #134

No no.....guns kill people, it sez so in the OP ileus Mar 2013 #144

All those murderous guns... ileus Mar 2013 #143

Over a million deaths from guns due to mental illness in many The Second Stone Mar 2013 #148